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NASB | 2 Corinthians 1:5 For just as the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance, so also our comfort is abundant through Christ. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 2 Corinthians 1:5 For just as Christ's sufferings are ours in abundance [as they overflow to His followers], so also our comfort [our reassurance, our encouragement, our consolation] is abundant through Christ [it is truly more than enough to endure what we must]. |
Subject: 2 Corinthians- What is 'suffering' |
Bible Note: "You mentioned that “Jesus could do no great works there because of unbelief.” Interesting, (that word “there”) because "there" doesn’t “necessarily” include anywhere except “there” wherever “there” happened to be." "This is off the subject of healing sickness and desease but it does speak to 'unbelief'. And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Was this unbelief hindering God's work? Remember, Jesus had 'given them authority'. That is an interesting view point. Are you saying unbelief 'there' was somehow different form 'unbelief today? Their unbelief was unique? My friend...unbelief is unbelief and has the same effect regardless of the geographic location. Concerning the power of unbelief.... "And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Was this unbelief hindering God's work? Remember, Jesus had 'given them authority'. "How many times did Jesus walk by the man who was healed by Peter in Acts 3? That man had been placed there daily for years. And how come Peter didn’t heal him the day, week, or month before? It says they went there everyday to pray. And it says the man was laid there every day." What did Peter say of this miracle? "And on the basis of faith (25) in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all." Faith in the Name of Jesus made this man whole. As for Jesus passing many times, this is not stated in scripture..but if Jesus did pass many times, do you think Jesus was 'lacking in faith' that would have healed? Since he was healed by faith in Jesus then faith had to be lacking previously and it had to either be Peter's faith or the lame man's faith...Either way, it was 'by faith'. "There are soooooooooooo many other examples that cancel the doctrine of “perfect health” for all. Jesus even said in effect, "Doctors are for the sick." If sickness is NOT of God. Neither are doctors." God created doctors to correct the deseases He puts on us? No, if He wants us sick why would we go to doctors to get better. If He wants to teach us through sickness...we need to cease in our efforts to get well. Stop trying to resist God's will. This thread was created to discuss 2 Corinthians and it's use in the doctrine of sickness being the 'suffering with Christ' Paul was speaking of. Do you have any further observations on this particular study? I do not believe we should use these scriptures to promote a doctrine they in no wise state, regardless of your belief concerning God's will concerning sickness and desease. God bless |