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NASB | Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever. |
Bible Question: Daboniel, Greetings. You stated that ,"....three times when people recieved the Spirit they spoke in tongues, two times they did not. My question is , how did you come to the conclusion that two times they did not, when the Scriptures do not say? |
Bible Answer: I said that BECAUSE it did not say it in the Bible. I think omissions count too, but when I used the phrase "in the Bible" or "in Acts" in this case, I meant it literally. We do not see it in the Bible, so I said it is not there. The order of thing is usually interesting too: #1 Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance. This was "what the Father had promised, "Which," He said, "you heard of from Me;" 1. They Believed 2. They were baptized, probably most of the them by John, (do you think they were re-baptized in Jesus' Name?) 3. Believed Jesus. 4. Had to wait until after the atonement of course. FILLED with the Spirit, tongues present. The gift of the Holy Spirit vs38. #2 Acts 8 (Samaria) 1.Believed 2.Baptized 3.RECEIVED the Spirit through laying on of hands (He had not yet FALLEN on them)later, Simon saw, not heard, that they received the Spirit. No tongues mentioned. (Why were they not considered gentiles? Were they all mixed Jews?) #3 Acts 9 (Paul) 1. Believed 2. Filled with the Holy Spirit (No tongues mentioned here though indeed Paul later refers to tongues.) 3. Baptized #4 Acts 10 Cornelius 1.Believed 2.Received the Spirit (Also He "fell on them". Like Pentecost, no laying on of hands) 3.Baptized Peter refers to Jesus's words in Acts one when relating this incident to Jews that needed convincing. Acts 1:5 and 11:16 are the only places the phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" are used in Acts. #5 Acts 19 The Disciples of John 1. Believed and were baptized by John. 2. Believed Paul's Gospel 3. Rebaptized in Jesus' Name 4. Paul laid hands on them for them to received (since that's the terminology he used in vs 2) and the Spirit CAME ON THEM. Both tongues and prophesy were present. I think we need to be VERY careful about exceeding what is written (1Cor 4:6) because that is exactly how the pharisees began to be like: Matt 15:9 'But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.' " To be fair to the Pharisees and Lawyers, they HAD to make judgements based on their understanding of the Law. When a situation arose, they would have to decide, say, if a man was breaking the sabbath or not. So they came up with a log of case law which resulted in a lot of their traditions, such as a "Sabbath day's journey". The problem was that they had put it on a par with what WAS written. I think many churches have done that in their lists of tenets and doctrines today. So tell me, if there is a doctrine not clearly and plainly stated in Scripture, should we actually make it a church tenet? The ones that are clearly and plainly stated are more than sufficent to separate the sheep from the goats. When we begin dividing further than that, are we becoming schismatic? The heretick in Titus 3:10 is literally a "schismatic", one who makes schism. Acts 1:5 and 11:16 are the last places the phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is used until the last place 1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. And in those places it is where people: Received the gift of the Holy Spirit (The Promise!) The Holy Spirit fell on them The Holy Spirit came on them They were filled with the Holy Spirit The Spirit was poured forth Baptized in the Spirit Gifts Manifest Not to mention the other descriptive phrases used. I don't know if there is a limit on how long these responses can be, but I suspect I am pushing it and I don't want to. But I want to ask one more question; whom do you suppose is the recipient of a gift of healing, the one who lays on hands or the one healed? When I consider the Gifts of the Spirit, I cannot see a real distinction between an utterance of a word of wisdom and a gift of a word of wisdom, in which case the recipient is the hearer. I concede there is an office of a prophet, but isn't the prophecy itself the gift for the one to whom it is spoken? The Healing? The utterance in a tongue? The miracle? God Bless! dab (p.s. Thanks Hank and Leonore! And thanks to Lockman who provides a free downloadable NASB!) |