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NASB | Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever. |
Subject: filled with holy spirit? |
Bible Note: To Leonore; Hank, and WTB Firstly, Leonore, I want to warn you. This subject about which we are, essentially, arguing, is not one of the foundational principles of following Christ, which are, according to Heb. 6:1-2 1) Turning from (faith in) dead works to faith in God (His sacrifice, His love for you, and His ability to both save and cleanse you, and to give to you a righteousness that will not fade), 2a) Instruction about washings (baptism and washing of feet) 2b) and about laying on of hands 3a) the resurrection of the dead 3b) and eternal judgment. I highly suggest, if you have not already (I didn't read all of your posts) that you read and study Romans, preferably with the NAS, supplemented by the AMP, if ye wish. One thing Hank said was unbalanced and I must address it: Yes, our experiences can be misleading, but the saints of old relied on BOTH the promises (not yet fulfilled) of God, and the works He had done, both in ancient times and in their own lives. God teaches us not only through the written word, but also through the reflections of the Word (which is Christ - the Spirit not the letter) found in our lives, in His creation, in everything. For the Law and the Prophets spoke of Christ, they taught of and pointed to Christ. The Bible contains the most pure, unspoilt and trustworthy shadow of the Word, but it is still a shadow, and there are many other ways in which God speaks to us, even through feelings and experiences. Hank is correct in that it is dangerous to rely ONLY on feelings or experiences for our light, or even primarily, but within them, seen through the light of the Spirit. I must cease, or I will start to argue again. Hank (and partly WTB). I realize (or think) that you are a moderator, however, this issue is not at all helpful to argue about, nor does it belong here (except by a very cracky tangent...hmm... cracky, er, yeah). It is not something that will deny to Leonore her salvation if she chooses in error, but confusion might cause her much pain. And...Christ through Paul told every church to be in agreement among themselves (and to a larger degree with all the churches). On this issue, Leonore needs to seek the counsel of her own fellowship, and follow their example, even as they follow Christ. I would love to dispute many of your points (and almost did) (to qualify or add to them, not negate them), just not here. |