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NASB | John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 6:37 "All that My Father gives Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out [I will never, never reject anyone who follows Me]. |
Subject: What is eternal life? What is saved? |
Bible Note: Re: the post " Hank, Your analogy of the lost son is ..." Hank, is this Note even worth answering? The arguments presented are so tiresome. The first sentence in the other Note is "Your analogy of the lost son is innaccurate." That sentence itself is laughably inaccurate. You very accurately called Luke 15:11 and following the "parable of the lost son." The theme of the chapter is not "sinners that need to repent." It is more than obvious from reading the chapter that it contains three parables concerning joy over repentance. Does John 15 have to do with the judgment of sinners? For everyone's information, lost souls are not gathered up in bundles to be burned. God deals individually with souls. Then we jump to the subject of man's much-touted ability to choose. Hello? While not denying human responsibility, can we at least acknowledge that divine sovereignty has something to do with our salvation? Then the writer of the other Note says: "I have seen those committed to Christ turn back to the world..." No, you haven't. You've never seen any such thing. This whole idea of proving the Bible by case histories or the experiences of people was adequately addressed in another submission posted yesterday. I quote yesterday's post for those who missed it. "I'll make my answer short. You write: "There are those that say, well, he was never REALLY saved, but how do we know?" How do we know? "1 John 2:19 (NIV) They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. "Faith that endures is the only legitimate saving faith. Consider Matthew 13:20. Some people make an emotional, superficial commitment to salvation in Christ, but it is not real. They remain interested only until there is a sacrificial price to pay, and then abandon Christ. "Always remember: we do not prove the Bible nor do we build doctrine on the experience(s) of people, whether the experiences are ours or belong to others. We do not establish Bible doctrine on case examples. On the contrary, we prove or disprove experience by the Bible." Finally, the other post uses the same old tired and false argument twisted from 2 Peter 2 to "prove" that it's possible for a blood bought, blood washed, born-again, Holy-Spirit sealed and indwelt child of God to "fall from grace and lose his salvation." Who is being spoken of in 2 Peter 2: false teachers or born-again Christians? The answer is simple to ascertain. Verses 20-22 use the word "they" a number of times. They is a pronoun. Every pronoun has an antecedent. If one keeps backing up until he find the pronoun's antecedent in 2:1, he will see that the chapter is talking about false teachers. False teachers, not believers. There is no magic or guesswork here. This conclusion is arrived at by the application of the rules of English grammar. Oh, did I forget to mention? This question and the arguments from John 15 and 2 Peter 2 have been asked, answered and refuted a number of times. Anyone who can read will note before he posts a question that the instructions plainly say: "Please search for your question before asking it?" Merely following the directions would have shown that this question has already been debated to death here on the forum. |