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NASB | John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 6:37 "All that My Father gives Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out [I will never, never reject anyone who follows Me]. |
Subject: What is eternal life? What is saved? |
Bible Note: Kin, it is amazing to me that you would call what I said about the passage of the lost son in Luke 15 "entirely speculation." Suppose you tell me how a biological son of his one and only biological father can acquire another biological father, thus severing his relationshp to the first?...... Your citing the verses of Hebrews 6 in an effort to prove your position that the perseverence of the saints, or the eternal security of the believer, is not sound teaching comes quite as no surprise to me. I rather expected it, as in the same manner I expect Acts 2:38 from proponents of water baptism as essential to salvation. In both instances what is being done is extracting a few pet verses that SEEM to support a certain view while virtually ignoring a host of other scriptural passages that teach no such thing...... I will not attempt an expanded exegesis of your verses. Whatever I said would, in all likelihood, be much too "speculative" to suit your tastes. I will, however leave you with this thought to mull over. If the verses in Hebrews 6 teach that a person can lose his salvation, they also teach that he can never be saved a second time, which becomes tantamount to saying that whatever he did to lose his salvation was an unpardonable sin, does it not? And does that interpretation square with Jesus' definition of the unpardonable sin? And does the Hebrews passage, when you interpret it to mean that the eternal security of the believer is a false teaching, conflict with any of the following passages: John 5:24; 6:37-40; 10:27-30; Rom.5:9-10; 8:1,31-39; 1 Cor.1:4-9; Eph.4:30; Heb.7:25; 13:5; 1 Pet.1:4-5; Jude 24? --Hank |