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NASB | Luke 24:31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Him; and He vanished from their sight. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 24:31 Then their eyes were [suddenly] opened [by God] and they [clearly] recognized Him; and He vanished from their sight. |
Subject: ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? |
Bible Note: Mr. Edb, please hear my heart, as I respond to your concerns. Sir, if you know anything about Islam you will know for them to “lie” is not wrong. It is not only polite to lie, it is expected. The invitation, “Do you want a coke?” REQUIRES them to give a negative answer. Twice, maybe three times, they MUST be asked before they can respond with a “truthful” answer, “Yes, please.” If you don’t ask them twice, they KNOW you didn’t really mean to offer them one; you were being polite, like they expect you to be. Neither one sees, or feels, “deceived.” I've said this to say this. Muslims lie and they and we know it. I don't play that "game" with them. I ONLY would ask one to dinner, WHEN I would follow through the whole game-plan till they accept. Then I would re-enforce it with one more, for good measure. So, if you were referring with mixing a lie with "our tactics", I have to say they don't mix, as we don't encorporate "lies" in any shape or fashion. When I sell any car, I point out every problem I know it has. After I sold my latest car, an unknown problem arose, when I found out about it, I paid for the repairs, even though I put on the Bill of Sale, “sold as is, where is.” Every car I have purchased, when it quickly showed up a problem, I merely had it fixed. It is only to be expected. Like springs the following day. :) You mentioned, “Satan knows and understands he is a created being and if you look at the interaction between him and God in Job you see God is still very much in control.” How true. God knows everything. Satan only knows what God wants him to. That's how Satan works. Had he known all the facts about Peter's faith being increased after Peter's denial, Satan never would have asked permission to sift Peter like wheat. Hum, I wonder if Satan was "deceived" into thinking it would weaken Peter? It is also true, HAD Satan KNOWN God’s mystery plan, Jesus never would have been crucified. 1 Cor. 2:8 for one place, says as much. And do you remember WHY Jesus spoke in parables? Matthew 13:11f ties in with 1 Cor 2:8. So even Jesus gave answers "in a way" they (the enemy of truth) wouldn’t understand too. In Genesis, don’t you think Joseph’s speaking through an interpreter to his brothers, “deceived” his brothers in any way? Or when he accused them of spying? Did Joseph WANT them to believe something that wasn’t “entirely true” for any reason that brought glory to the Lord, or was it his “sinful nature” that had cruelly kicked in when he had his silver cup put in his brother’s “saddle-bag”? Why did Joseph “act” this way? Gen 45:8 tells us that IT WAS GOD that sent Joseph to Egypt, not his brothers. Why did his brothers sell Joseph? They thought it was to get rid of him. They were “deceived”, if you will. That “deception” came from who? Yet Joseph’s name is amongst those in Hebrews. Joseph (the deceiver?), amongst all the other “deceivers” acclaimed in Heb 11:39 as “And these ALL, having obtained a GOOD report, through faith …” Aren’t “these”, and others in Scripture, “examples” of HOW to express our faith? I wish I had some of “their" faith. :) For too long, the “church” wouldn’t allow “common-folk” access to Scriptures. Those who “grew in their faith, like the Chinese have, read it “in secret.” China would STILL be blind to the truth had the truth not been received and believed. Presently there are more believers in that “god-less” nation than there are in this “Nation Under God.” Thanks to all those who dared to “leap over the wall”. I heartily agree with your honest assessment, Edb. “If we expect something to end in righteousness giving glory to God we have to do it in righteousness that gives glory to God.” To Him be the Glory, for the great things He has done. |