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Subject: Predestination |
Bible Note: Greetings Tim, This is part 4 of my reply: Concerning Gospel of John 17:2, You said: “You also assume that this is a reference to others other than the 12 disciples. The same phrase is used of the disciples in the rest of the chapter. Are these assumptions correct?” My reply: You’ve provided another example of the misconceptions which invariably occur whenever a verse of Scripture is held in total isolation; i.e. without any consideration of the contexts of each such verse. In Gospel of John 17:20, Christ says “Neither do I pray for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;” So it’s obvious from John chapter 17 that those to whom Christ gives eternal life isn’t restricted to the first Apostles as you seem to imply. Christ has a much larger number in view, which is encouraging because if eternal life was reserved for only 11 people [The Twelve minus the traitor Judas Iscariot] Hell would be bursting at the seams, and Heaven would contain only 14 persons; i.e. the 11 Apostles plus the eternal triune Godhead; Father, Son and Holy Spirit! You said: “”All men”: You mention this theme again in a later post, so I will address it there. However, I would note here that any restriction of the word ‘all’ must come from the text itself not a theological assumption – otherwise we are engaging in eisegesis.” You’re inconsistent because although you insist that the correct understanding of Bible terms such as “all” and “all men” must only come from the Biblical text - with which I heartily agree – yet you persistently ignore your own advice and you always assume that the Bible terms “all” and “all men” must always only mean everyone in the entire human race without exception. Instead, you’re forcing your universalistic assumptions onto the Biblical text which produces eisegesis; not exegesis. Regards, Michael |