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NASB | Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; they came each one with his household: |
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Subject: Are Positional and Practical truths true |
Bible Note: I notice that you did not answer the question I asked: are we righteous just like Christ was in nature and in practice? I do not deny that Christ is our righteousness. I fully embrace that Christ's righteousness is imputed to us by God's grace through faith in Him. I am indeed DECLARED righteous (which is what Paul says in Romans 4...note the word "credited"). I am indeed a regenerated person, being sanctified by the indwelling Holy Spirit (i.e. being made progressively more righteous in practice). None of the verses you have cited contradicts this. Where have you seen me write once that righteousness is attained from the Law? Please go back and read my postings. You are arguing against a position I don't even hold! By mocking the historic Christian views of positional righteousness vs. practical righteousness (and the tone of your post is nothing but prideful swinging the Bible at a target which is miles away from what I believe), you are again demonstrating the ignorance that American Christians have of their evangelical heritage. Those you are ridiculing are the very Reformers who freed the evangelical church from papal tyranny, along with every major Protestant theologian until the end of the nineteenth century. But your view, which gained popularity in the 20th century, is probably the right one. After all, the first 1900 years of Christian thought probably didn't have the same wisdom that you apparently possess... I will repeat it: saying that we are righteous in practice (that is, sinless, holy, perfect) just like Christ is an insult to the holy, sinless, and perfect Son of God. "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:8-14 Paul sees that the righteousness to be gained from the Law is what is our own, but the righteousness on the basis of faith is Christ's. He also regards himself as not having attained it yet (even though you apparently presume to do so). He realizes that he has been laid hold of by Christ Jesus, and his destiny is sure, but he also presses on to attain it. Paul sees himself as "not perfect," which means that being in God's presence is a positional truth, not a present reality. Take a look at John in Revelation 1 to see how our "righteous" selves react in the presence of the glorified Christ. You are absolutely correct that God sees us as righteous IN CHRIST. We are clothed in a foreign righteousness, that of Christ Jesus. Justification is a legal declaration of righteousness, not the making of us into people righteous in ourselves. One day we will be made perfect and righteous on our own, but we simply must continue to cling to Christ's imputed righteousness for our salvation. Where in Scripture do we find that our own spirits are seated at the right hand of God? "Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. --Colossians 3:1 Christ is seated at the right hand of God, ABOVE. --Joe! P.S. I have already argued this on other threads, so please go back and do a little homework of my actual view before replying. |