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Dear Joe, Please see my "Are Positional and Practical truths true?" posting before you read this one. Once again, brother, you are trying to redefine the terms. In the last posting, you redefined sanctification into 3 facets. Here you do the same thing with the Law. The Scriptures I mentioned only say " the Law." You don't believe it so you have redefined the Law into your own 3 terms: "The Law still exists in a moral sense. It is the sacrificial and ceremonial aspects of the law which were fulfilled in Christ's life, death, and resurrection." So, you've taken the word 'Law' that Scripture uses and relegated it to: 1. Moral law 2. Ceremonial law 3. Sacrificial law This way YOU can decide for yourself which of the three has been fulfilled and passes away. Joe, why not accept what God says for what it says? It has been my experience that God says what He means and means what He says. He does not stutter. And, Joe, if Christ kept and fulfilled the Law (you pick which one), and you are in Him, then haven't you also, by your union with Him, fulfilled it? Look at Romans 5:19 - Because of Adam's disobedience, we were all made and born sinners, right? Is this a positional truth or a practical truth? Are we born as positional sinners or practical sinners? Do we positionally sin or practically sin? The verse continues by saying, "even so through the obedience of the One (Christ) the many (us) will be made righteous." Is this positionally righteous or practically righteous? If God says that, because of Adam's sin, our old nature is sinful, then, using the same hermanuetic, our new nature is righteous, right? When are we made righteous, Joe? When we die? What does death have to do with your identity? Those 'in Adam' are sinners because of their birth, not because of their destination - hell. We are righteous because of a new birth, not because we will one day get to heaven. Birth, my friend, determines your identity - not where you end up. I'm going to heaven because Christ has MADE me righteous, not to be made righteous. Rest in that, won't you? In Christ, Bill Mc |
Bible Answer: Why don't you try addressing the Scriptures I presented rather than dodging my very cogent arguments? The idea of God's law having different dimensions is not my own, but has been held by the majority of Christians throughout church history. That includes Catholics and Protestants, Reformed and Dispensationalists, etc. What you are promoting is a heresy called antinomianism (i.e. "lawlessness") which has been condemned time and again throughout the history of the church. But I assume you presume to know more about the Bible than Calvin and Luther and Augustine and Edwards and Spurgeon and all of the others who have condemned your view. The very reason that the sacrifices have ceased is because Christ is our ultimate sacrifice. Most of the ceremonial aspects of the Law were shadows of the ministry of Jesus to come. Obviously, they have been fulfilled as well in the person of Christ. He even fulfilled the moral requirements of the Law, which the Jew could not do. However, Paul makes quite clear in Romans 4:9-25 and Galatians 4:17 that the covenant of grace both pre-dates the law and replaces the larger covenant of works that God established with Adam and his descendants. But God still very much cares how we conduct ourselves, even as believers. That comes from the Scriptures, including the Ten Commandments. Jesus makes that so very plain in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, which you continually fail to address when I bring it up. You constantly refer to Galatians, which is not an attack upon God's moral requirements (which are present in the Law), but rather a refutation of the idea that the Galatians must even enter into the Mosaic Covenant in the first place! Remember, that these are not people who had been subjects of the Law of Moses at any time (they were uncircumsized). Therefore, they were never under Mosaic Law, but they still were subject to the righteous demands of God which are found in the Law. Our trust in Christ's substitutionary death and resurrection does not mean that God just nods and smiles when we violate the Ten Commandments. Otherwise, every moral command in the New Testament is rendered completely meaningless. He is very much interested in purifying us in our daily lives and the way we live them, and it is all for His glory. As far as sanctification is concerned, the three dimensions of sanctification are doctrine that has been held by the majority of Christians throughout church history. That includes Catholics and Protestants, Reformed and Dispensationalists, etc. The fact is that even though Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us (i.e. been put on our account), we are not 100 percent righteous now in practice. Do you sin, Bill? That is unrighteousness, and clear evidence that the work in us in not completed. Our final perfection (ultimate sanctification) has not occurred and will not until we pass from this life to the next. Looking at Romans 5:19, you should pay attention to tense: "For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous." The first clause is past tense (WERE made), and the second is future tense (WILL BE made). The very verse you quote as "support" for antinomianism belies your view. We are already sinners. We will be made completely righteous in the future. You seem to stress that the Christian life is one solely of "resting," Bill. Why do Christ and the apostles speak of it as "pressing on," (Philippians 3:12-18 -- incontrovertible passage on the fact that we are still a "work in progress"), "striving," (Luke 13:24; Romans 15:30; 1 Timothy 4:10; Philippians 1:27; Colossians 1:29; Hebrews 12:4) "labor," (1 Timothy 4:10), and "suffering" (Philippians 1:29, 1 Peter 3, 2 Timothy 3:12, etc.)? Don't get me wrong, salvation is assured for those whom God has set apart (which is what "sanctified" literally means). However, that is not the end of the ball game, for God has called us to righteous living as His ambassadors (2 Corinthians 5:20) and to glorify Him through righteous works (Ephesians 2:10) which the Spirit enables us to do (Romans 8:7-9) as he conforms us to the image of His Son (Romans 12:1-2) in accordance with his moral law (his righteous demands which reflect his character and are pointed out in the Law of Moses -- Romans 7:7-12). Therefore, your last sentence is a false one. You are still a sinner in practice, not a righteous, perfect person. "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." --1 John 1:8 --Joe! |