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NASB | Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; they came each one with his household: |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; each came with his household: |
Subject: Are Positional and Practical truths true |
Bible Note: You wrote: "and I gave the example that the Pharisees were all doing God-honoring work which are in keeping of God's moral law." The Pharisees were working all right, but it certainly not God-honoring work, for the very reason you stated: their hearts were corrupt. Let's see what God the Son had to say about how the Pharisees' work honored Him: "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." --John 8:44 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness." --Matthew 23:27 "And He said to them, 'Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: "THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME."'" --Mark 7:6 The Pharisees did not honor God at all with their works. It is not because they worked that they were condemned, but because of the fact that their motives behind their actions were not of faith and that they were self-seeking hypocrites blind to their own unrighteousness. Their works disgusted God, just as much as the "altruistic" and "humanitarian" works of atheists just incur greater wrath because they are done to bring glory to man and not Him. That's the problem with your Scofield/Ryrie view of the Bible. You are right to condemn legalistic self-righteousness. However, you go too far to the other extreme where any call of God for His people to actually DO something is placed in the category of "not for us." "Be like Jesus" does not mean rejecting God's moral law, for Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly in thought, word, and deed. Even the greatest commandment tells us we are to love the Lord our God with all our STRENGTH. You will take Paul's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and swallow it whole, as well you should. You are more than happy to embrace Philippians 2:13, but going back a verse means that we would have to acknowledge our own God-aided participation in the process of sanctification. In a previous post you even said something to me along the lines of "work out your own salvation if you want," as if that were unscriptural! They are put there, TOGETHER, for a reason. Christians are characterized by their works. The thing that troubles me the most about your view is that you have to basically take virtually EVERYTHING Jesus said and stamp a label of "Old Testament" on it to get those troublesome, cost-of-discipleship chapters in all four gospels. Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that Ryrie-esque dispensationalists completely disregard so many of the very words that our Lord and Savior spoke? The gospel is the same from Genesis 3 to revelation. Your view requires you diminishing the importance of James, Hebrews, 1 John, 1 and 2 Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in favor of half of the prison epistles and part of Romans. And forget about the Old Testament. Too much law for a "New Testament believer" to stomach. In short, you have abandoned legalism and moved to the other, equally-wrong extreme of antinomianism. During this exchange I have seen you reinterpret clear Scripture passages to fit your view (such as 1 Peter 1:14-16) and try to paint me as a legalist because I have the audacity to claim that the Christian life depicted in the Bible is one of costly discipleship rather than easy-street "resting in Jesus." This is precisely why I abandoned the theology you embrace years ago; you simply have to ignore or do too much damage to God's Holy Word to maintain it. Justification is a free gift of God's grace; sanctification is also wholly a work of God's grace. It is not a contradiction, however, to say that the Christian life, properly lived, is WORK. --Joe! |