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NASB | Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; they came each one with his household: |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; each came with his household: |
Subject: Are Positional and Practical truths true |
Bible Note: You wrote: "He MADE us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. "Made' means it's already happened." Does it? Paul often uses the past tense to assure us of a future glory, such as he does in Romans 8:30: "and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." He has justified me, but he hasn't glorified me yet (Philippians 3:21, 2 Corinthians 4:17, Colossians 1:27). There are those who will become believers who have not been called nor justified as of yet, since those things come just prior to and at conversion. Still, Paul uses the past tense to describe it. And, as I cited in the Colossians verse before, in a very real sense Christ is seated ABOVE, which means that we are BELOW, by comparison. In other words, it is not done yet, but rather "just as good as done." We see this all over Scripture. Has Satan been defeated? Yes, but he is still active in the world. How can those two be true? In the same way, we can be considered glorified even though that isn't a reality for us until the Second Coming, and we can call ourselves "saved" even though in another sense we are "being saved" (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor 2:15). Same thing in Ephesians 2. We have not been physically raised up with Christ yet (that is a future reality as well -- 1 Corinthians 15:51 ff), but Paul describes it in the past to accentuate the future certainty of it. Only in the sense that Christ, the Second Adam, has become our head are we indeed seated next to the Father at this point in time. This is the historical understanding of the passage, and the one held by the majority of Christians throughout chruch history. You wrote: "You say 'Paul sees that the righteousness to be gained from the Law is what is our own' but I don't see that he sees that at all." "...not having a righteousness OF MY OWN derived from the Law..." --Philippians 3:9 You wrote: "As mentioned in my previous post, there are TWO ways to righteousness which Paul mentions consistanly in his epistles. The first way is through the law." No. "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." --Galatians 2:21 "Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law." --Galatians 3:21 --Joe! |