Bible Question:
JRdoc, Does'nt predestination make these scriptures meaningless? Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? Rom 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" Rom 10:16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. Rom 10:18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." Also, it is clear that all men DO have a small amount of light. No one is in total darkness: John 1:9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. God has dealt every man the measure of faith needed for a fair choice: Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. God bless, Pastor Glenn |
Bible Answer: YOU STATE: Also, it is clear that all men DO have a small amount of light. No one is in total darkness:.. John 1:9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. So you think just because a light shines that a blind man can see it? It does not work that way naturally or spiritually, that is why you need a Great Physician! Just because a light shines DOES NOT mean one can see it (2 Cor 4:4). Even the verses surrounding your proof text (John 1:9) are intriguing and disprove what you say: John1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not…. Notice it was not comprehended. Why, because they are blind and dead…. John 1: 11-13 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. How does one receive Christ? The Scripture itself explains: not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God—One may see and believe and enter into the Kingdom of God because of the work of God John 3, not of works lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8-10). Please note it is important to keep CONTEXT with the verses you quote for you assertions. ---- YOU SAID: God has dealt every man the measure of faith needed for a fair choice: …Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Who is Paul writing to? The CHURCH—notice the terms --every man among YOU! -- CONTEXT, CONTEXT! You may prove any faulty argument if you remove the context of the verses citied. --- YOU SAID: Does'nt predestination make these scriptures meaningless? No, it just affirms its need! Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. The word is US (toward US, for US) and not ALL. Again, CONTEXT. Rom 10:13-18 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." I figure you capitalized the texts you desired answered thus, When do dead men (Eph 2:1) speak, when they receive new hearts, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh…. Yes, the Gospel and the gospel messenger is beautiful news to all those that are enabled to hear it (he that hath ears let him hear…,but not everyone has spiritual ears or else all would be saved?—see my question below for further). Does everyone who hears the gospel message get saved…NO….Who hath believed our report, no one until God puts within them His desire (how can? they are dead and need life, without the ennoblement of being born again they will never hear—Salvation is of the Lord, He is the Author and Finisher of our faith)…. Though Christ was in the world and preached to all in His day, did ALL get saved…No..only those that were ordained to eternal life believed. (Acts 13:48). So thus your voice needs to go out into all the world (you do not who is called, predestined, elected, etc), but it does not mean (1) it will be heard by all (spiritually or effectually) (2) or even comprehended it since they do not have the mind of Christ (3) but all those that are ordained to eternal life will hear in God’s time according to His plan (Eph 1) Yes, Scripture affirms the need of PREDESTINATION otherwise why would God write about it? ---- Now, let me ask you a question: This is the third time this is posted and yet no answers??? 1. Did Christ die for all sins of all men? 2. Did Christ die for some sins of all men? 3. Did Christ die for all sins of some men? If Christ dies for (1) "all sins of all men" then why are any lost? After-all is not "unbelief" a sin? And if He died for the sin of "unbelief" how could any be lost--but some are aren't they! If Christ died for (2) "some sins of all men" then we do not have an atonement for "all sin" without exception and all are still in sin! Thus, Christ died for (3) "all sins of some men" --His elect that some according to His purpose and plan may be saved (Eph 1, Rom 8-11). |