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41 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94317 | ||
"If worm did mean "sin" which I believe it is steetching it a bit it wouldn't matter because we know swin was cast ON Jesus. But My arguement is this Sin had NO power over him nor did Satan. You show me one verse in the Bible that shows otherwise." I agree. Sin did not overpower Him, He yielded to it. If I yield to someone trying to kill me what will happen? They will kill me. If I yield to somone trying to take me somewhere I do not want to go, what will happen? They will take me there. Jesus YIELDED HIMSELF to take our place. He yielded Himself in faith that God would raise Him.Thus themeaning of "Into Thy hands I commend My spirit". By yileding Himself to take our sin upon Himself, He yielded Himself to Satan, but only until the time was up. At which time He was raised triumphantly. At THAT time He led captivity captive. Our sin offering is the blood, our victorious resurrection (the New Birth) is in His resurrection. Romans 1:3-4 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 1Peter 1:2-4 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, You said.. "What you are doing by making that claim is saying Satan had power over God! Which means he got his wish:" No, I am saying Jesus yielded Himself to the full measure of our penalty. Jesus' obedience did not depict Satan's AUTHORITY over Him...but He did yield to the powers of darkness on OUR behalf. OUR RANSOM. But because He was obedient and sinless Himself, Satan could not hold Him, He had power over the grave... Matthew 20:28 just as [Matt 8:20] the Son of Man [Matt 26:28; John 13:13ff; 2 Cor 8:9; Phil 2:7; 1 Tim 2:6; Titus 2:14; Heb 9:28; Rev 1:5] did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." Ransom..the release of a person or property in return for payment of a demanded price. Let me ask a question...Who set the price for sin? God or Satan? God bless |
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42 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94312 | ||
Exactly! He is not describing other's impression of him. So what would Jesus be saying if He is quoting this Psalm? God bless |
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43 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94310 | ||
Apparently you guys really are't reading these threads. All this was posted earlier. God bless |
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44 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94309 | ||
I guess we will know exactly what happened during that three days when we get to Heaven. We have come full circle back to 1Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. And no doubt none of us are any wiser than before. God bless |
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45 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94306 | ||
No Ed, I am not wandering, you are simply so obsessed with anti WOF that you can't see or acknowledge any truth taught by any WOF teacher. God bless |
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46 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94305 | ||
My mistake...I was still trying to have a BIBLE STUDY among all the anti WOF propoganda.. I will exit until someone actually wants to look at the scriptures. God bless |
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47 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94294 | ||
Thanks Radioman2, but that was not my point... Sigh... never mind... God bless |
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48 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94277 | ||
I was just thinking of when I was a child and heard the gospel message. Jesus died for my sins. He paid the price so I would not have to.... Now that I see in scripture that He did indeed descend, the doctrine of Jesus going into ANY PART of Hell proves true. Now to say that one must realize that to be saved I do not agree with. I did not realize the depth, and still do not, of the price paid for my soul, and yet the Holy Spirit brought conviction upon me and revealed Jesus as my sin offering. I do not believe anyone, especially as a child, can even begin to comprehend the sufferings of the cross much less 'descending' and being seperated from the Father. So I do not agree that believing Jesus descended into hell is not criteria for salvation. The fact that she has retracted this part of the statement is good. Summation...to believe Jesus paid the price for my sins is absolutely necessary for salvation. The understanding of the depth of that message can, and usually does, come after salvation. God bless |
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49 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94272 | ||
Worm Strong's 8438 crimson, scarlet, worm Also used in Isaiah 1:83 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as SCARLET, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. "Worm there is not sin for mankind, It is simple they were mocking Jesus on the cross which the context of psa 22:5-6 would probably mean that He is not a man meaning they were not treating Him like a man but like a warm. For you to say Worm equals sin of mankind it would make more since for him to say I am a man not I am not a man but a worm." 6. But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people. 7. All who see me sneer at me; They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying, "Thats as far as it goes. Also remember Jesus said I give my Spirit into the father's hand." So Act's chapter 2 is not true either? Acts 2:24-28 23 this Man, delivered over by the (26) predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, (27) you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. 24 "But (28) God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it (29) was impossible for Him to be held in its power. 25 "For David says of Him, 'I SAW THE LORD ALWAYS IN MY PRESENCE; FOR HE IS AT MY RIGHT HAND, SO THAT I WILL NOT BE SHAKEN. 26 'THEREFORE MY HEART WAS GLAD AND MY TONGUE EXULTED; MOREOVER MY FLESH ALSO WILL LIVE IN HOPE; 27 BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. Peter goes on to say that David was not raised so theses verses are prophetic concerning Jesus..not left in Hades... While so many here on the forum defend doctrine... I present scripture, the only real test of TRUTH. God bless |
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50 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94270 | ||
Hi Darcy, PS I am not a she :) OOPS, sorry. This did not answer my question..without scripture to discuss issues, the rest is opinion. "Also don't think I am attacking you, I just don't want to see any one fall away." I neither feel attacked or am going to fall away. I have been following WOF teaching for over 25 years. What bothers me on this forum is the lack of willingness to actually discuss the teaching and less attacking the persons. God bless |
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51 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94268 | ||
PS You said.. "Quite frankly I would not listen to a man that called Jesus a worm in any context. Call be silly but that is my Savior." Since all scripture is given by inspiriation of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit inspired the Psalmist to write this. Since there is at least adequate reason to believe Jesus was quoting this Psalm to teach us..I would have to contest your statement as a man calling Jesus a worm...It would appear that the Holy Spirit was fortelling Jesus's great suffering and Jesus was affirming that sufering. God bless |
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52 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94267 | ||
Ed, "Actually I never made that connection and I don't think it is valid. In Psalm 22 the writer is describing himself as a worm. I don't see how that is can be interpreted as the sin of the world but even if it could, is that an appropriate title to call the Son of the Living God? I don't think so! I call Him Master, Savior, King of Kings, Holy One of God, Prince of Peace, Mighty Counselor. Quite frankly I would not listen to a man that called Jesus a worm in any context. Call be silly but that is my Savior." There is adequate reason to accept that Jesus was quoting this Psalm on the cross. Psalm 22:1 My God! My God! Why have you abandoned me? Verse 6-8 But I am a worm, not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. All who see me jeer at me; they sneer and shake their heads:"He committed Hmself to Adonai, so let Him rescue Him!" Does this not describe the crouds jeering at Jesus? Verse 14-17 describes the suffering of the cross, then verse 18 says, " They divide my garments among themselves; for my garments they throw dice. This describes the suffering of our Lord. Would I dscribe Him as a worm? NO! I know Him as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords BECAUSE of what He suffered. Because He was despised and afflicted, and because He took my sin upon Himself. This Psalm does not disrespect Jesus but exalts Him as the supreme sacrifice paying the supreme price. 2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (NASB) 2 Corinthians 5:21 21For our sake He made Christ [virtually] to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become [[1] endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of] the righteousness of God [what we ought to be, approved and acceptable and in right relationship with Him, by His goodness].(Amplified) Jesus did not merely suffer physicaly, as horrible as that was in itself. I know some teach that His physical suffering was all He endured, this Psalm indicates otherwise. And 2 Corinthians seems to substantiate this. He did not just die for sin, but was made sin for us. But whether the suffering on the cross or believing He became sin for us, is a depth issue, not a salvaton issue. To accept Jesus as saviour for our sins is the way to salvaton regardless of the 'depth' of suffering we believe. The blood poured out for our sins... God bless God bless |
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53 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94202 | ||
Ed, Please don't be offended. Darci made a statement of accusation. I was asking her to either back it up with a scriptural discussion of the topic. As believers we need to be very sure when we accuse someone that we are basing it on more than heresay. If hers is based on here say, she needs to look into it further, investigate what she hears, compare, then come to her conclusions. You and I do this even though we don't agree. God bless |
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54 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94201 | ||
Yes, quite regularly. Do you know what the 'worm' is? It was the sin of mankind Jesus had taken upon Himself on the cross. Not His sin, but ours. Psalm 22:5-6 5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. 6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. This Psalm was spoken prophetically concerning Jesus, and Jesus confirmed this from the cross. Now the kicking and screaming part I do not agree with. Jesus was more in control of Himself than that, I believe, even in Hell God bless |
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55 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94198 | ||
Ed, That was not the topic of my post to Darci. I said I would discuss Jesus on the cross being dscribed as Satan on the cross. The IMPLICATION of Darci's statement is not the TRUTH of the statement. Darci made the statement and I would like her to respond to the scriptures I gave on the subject. God bless |
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56 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94194 | ||
radioman2, I have a suggestion. If you really want folks here to see what KC teaches in context, why don't you post His entire message instead of posting from a site that is choosing bits and pieces of a teaching to discredit. Is that right? Post his actual teaching and THEN comment on it. This thread is filled with unsubstantiated accusations and slanderour remarks. God can't be pleased. God bless |
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57 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94192 | ||
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58 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94191 | ||
Hi Darci, I would not base my observations on faith statements alone. Was the call to Joyce Meyer Ministries made by you or were you told this by someone else? Darci, I hope you comments on my post concerning Satan nailed to the cross. I believe it is important that when we make statements concerning other's beliefs or teachings that we back up those accusations. Even scripture requires two or more witnesses. I do not doubt you have been told these things, but I am doubting you researched them yourself. Often when such accusations come, especially through our peers, we tend to just accept them. Sadly, may believers do not research for various reasons. If you have researched it, not just from what you have been taught, but also from the perspective of the 'accused'. God bless |
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59 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94187 | ||
Hi Ed, "Surely you didn't expect Copeland or anyone else to put something in their "what we beleive" that would tip the average person to the fact they don't keep orthodox Christian theology." From my studies, I know what they believe. My question was to Darci an where she heard that one must believe the 'hell doctrine to be saved'? God bless |
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60 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94186 | ||
A lesson I learned a long time ago. If even a pencil is pocked that is not yours, Satan has an occasion to ACCUSE. God bless |
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