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61 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94185 | ||
Hi, That is certainly not what her statement of faith states. Nor have I ever heard her even remotely illude to the need to believe the 'hell doctrine'. She states in her statemnt of faith one must have Godly sorrow which leads to repentance which produces the new birth. If someone told you that, it is not her doctrine. One must believe He died on the cross for our sins, and the Aposltes Creed states Jesus 'descended' and as I understand various organizations decide whether that 'descended' was to Sheol or Gehanna, but either way...He descended. God bless |
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62 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94181 | ||
Darci, You seem to be overemphasizing only one aspect of WOF teaching. Whether Jesus was in Gehanna ir the Abyss for three days, He swas still in Hell.. He descended. He was also seperated from the FAther. He cried out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" He was not merely quoting scripture when He said this. God had turned away because Jesus had taken the curse from mankind unto Himself..otherwise we would still all be lost.. Whys is this so difficult for us as believers to comprehend? He TOOK OUR SIN PENALTY UPON HIMSELF. Now after reading this consider John 3:16. God bless |
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63 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94176 | ||
Darcy! Where are you getting this stuff? You are very confused about what is taught by WOF. Take any one of the above accusations and send it to me and we can discuss it. But KC has never taught that it was literally Satan on the cross. He has taught based on Numbers 21 the bronze serpent is symbolic of the curse of the law of sin and death...which Jesus redeemed us from through His being nailed to the cross...bottom line of a very extensive teaching is that the curse of the law of sin and death was nailed to the cross. Galatians 3:Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: What curse? The one pronounced upon all mankind whe Adam and Eve succumbed to the serpents lie in the Garden of Eden. Jesus took the curse upon Himself upon the tree and the bronze serpent in Numbers 21 was prophetically pointing forward to that fact. Had Jesus not taken the curse upon the cross, all mankind would stil be without hope. God bless |
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64 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94175 | ||
Darci, Where did you hear this? WOF teaches the only criteria for salvation is repentance and confession of the Lord Jesus Christ as saviour. Kenneth Copeland statement of Faith(copied from their web site) We believe in one God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Creator of all things. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, was buried, was resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father and is true God and true man. We believe the Bible in its entirety to be the inspired Word of God and the infallible rule of faith and conduct. We believe in the resurrection of the dead, the eternal happiness of the saved, and the eternal punishment of the lost. We believe in personal salvation of believers through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. We believe in sanctification through the Word of God and by the Holy Spirit, and we believe in personal holiness, purity of heart and life. We believe in divine healing, through faith in the Name of Jesus Christ, and that healing is included in the Redemption. We believe in water baptism, in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit as distinct from the New Birth, in speaking with tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance (Acts 2:4), in the gifts of the Spirit, and the evidence of the fruit of the Spirit. We believe that all of these are available to believers. We believe in the Christian's hope-the soon-coming, personal return of the Lord Jesus Christ. God bless |
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65 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94174 | ||
Good post LDS, This is the point I have repeatedly tried to make here on the forum. Ed has said several times that what I say is not WOF teaching necessarily, but that is where I first learned these things such as the authority of the believer and the integrity of God's Word. I was in a mainstream organization but began to listen to the teaching and compare scripture and found that they taught the things you listed above and THEN I began to grow and gain victory over areas of my life that up to that point I had been told to just keep praying about it! I could have prayed 'till the cows come home...and still been bound because Jesus HAD ALREADY SET ME FREE! The problem I see is that some are so anti WOF that they will not accept that there is some really GOOD scriptureal teaching. A better approach would be to work WITH the teaching and sort out the good and the erronious rather than merely condemn everything. I was blessed by your post. God bless |
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66 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94164 | ||
Hi Ed, Thank you for your concern. Yes I agree that we must be faithful stewards. I am self employed, and reserve the weekend for my husband, grandchildren and church. God bless |
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67 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94152 | ||
Hi Ed, I will try to respond to your other post on this topic indepth. However, you are correct. I did not state 'in covenant'. This was a serious communication error on my part. I made an assumption that we were all on the same page as covenant children discussing the New Covenant. For that I sincerely apologize to all forum members. The foundation of WOF teaching on faith is Covenant based. God is a covenant God. He began entering covenants with mankind when He created Adam. So as for His creation of the heavens and the earth and all that is within them for us, these were created before His first covenant with mankind. Nature was set in it's course before us. We can surely make choices in our lives apart from God that are 'good' in our thinking anyway. Even athiest fall in love, get married, have children and grandchildren....And in this life they are 'good'. "Now you say I was exagerated or misrepresented what you said, that you were really talking about covenant promises. That I also read between the lines and find things that aren't there, hidden meanings." Again, I sincerely apologize...I will try harder to be a better communicator. God bless |
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68 | Continuing search why 3 days in earth? | Matthew | gracefull | 94151 | ||
Hi Tony, You said.. "The Bible says in many places that Hell/Hades was made for the unbelievers. I just can't believe that Jesus died and went to Hell." Tony, it is always OK to jump in. Although sometimes our threads take a one on one tone, they are by no means such. Observations from others can expand the range of vision. In response to your statement..there has been substantial discusslio on this topic, both sides presenting scripture, so as not to just be repetitious, go to the word search box and type in keywords Jesus and Hades. If this search is unfruitful let me know and I will research back to the threads I know of on the topic. It is extensive. Also, let me ask you one simple question for thought. You said Hell was created for unbelievers. I agree. If Jesus was OUR sacrifice paying OUR penalty of death, why would this be so unbelievable? If you were condemned to the electric chair and someone steped in and desired to pay your penalty...would they be required to go to the electric chair for you? Tony, I know the above question only appeals to logic and does not answer the question scripturally. But hopefully it will help you see that Jesus going into Hell (our penalty) is not so unbelievable. God bless, |
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69 | Jesus the Christ glorified! | Matt 10:28 | gracefull | 94148 | ||
Hi Makarios, Good question... 1 Corinthians 3:2-4 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 1 Corinthians 13:12 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. While the above scripture does state that all organizations or denominatiosn are incorrect in some point or another, they do indicate that divisions among us point to carnality. Paul also says that until we see perfect (I believe perfect being Jesus face to face) which is also a point of division among us...we see through a glass darkly. That dark glass is partial spiritual visions and again the filter of our carnal nature. We want to believe we are walking in FULL light, however, unless we remain humble and teachable our doctrines can become bondage to us. Jesus is the only One who had total understanding, wisdom and power. Colossians 1:19 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; So in my humble opinion, none are 100 percent correct in doctrine. God bless, |
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70 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93921 | ||
Hi Figgy, That is the message I have been given at times here on the forum. But as a last footnote, I believe God places His desires in our heart if we are sincere. Those who are not sincere seek their own desires. But WOF encourages surrender and prayer and meditation in the Word to place ourselves in the position of having God's desire in our heart. Other's, however, can't judge our heart. Only God. God bless |
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71 | Continuing search why 3 days in earth? | Matthew | gracefull | 93918 | ||
The entire Psalm...I agree. You have 'ransomd me'. Jesus was our ransom! Praise God. God bless |
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72 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93917 | ||
Hi Ed, You said... If your alive you received that life and your breath long before you had any faith. In context of my post I believe I was clear that the message that BELIEVERS or children of the covenant receive nothing from God/The Word/ the covenant apart from faith. If I was unclear on that I apologize. You said... "It would not require faith if they were cleansed, they would not be lepers. We also don't know if they went in or not, we do know only one returned in "faith" to say thank you" They were healed AS they went. They headed to the temple before they were healed. That is faith. You said... Life itself both physical and spiritual God gave it to us before we had any faith. God knew me before I was conceived in my mother's womb. That faith was present here is debatable. But Roman's 10 indicated that faith was necessary for spiritual rebirth. Romans 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. You said... God gave us health, He gave us prosperity (the poorest among us is richer that the richest in many countries), in many cases God gave us praying grandparents, parents, aunt and uncles, brothers and sisters that prayed for our salvation. God has given us a great nation, freedom, liberty and the right to preach His gospel. God has given us the sun to norish our planet, the moon to light our evenings, the stars to make us look skyward and wonder. God gave me two wonderful daughters when I was still without faith, from those daughters came 6 beautiful grandchildren. All that I have God has given me and much of it I recieved before I knew Him. Whether faith was active in all the blessings we received before we knew Him for ourselves or not, is debatable. I tend to believe based on the scriptures cited in my previous post that faith was at work even if it was not your own. Again, I did not say it had to be OUR faith. But I am speaking of, and thought I was clear in my post but maybe not, we receive nothing from the covenant apart from faith. Be that salvation, the Holy Spirit, healing, His provision as we serve, His gifts. Let's go at this from a different angle... Tell me what part of God's covenant I CAN receive without faith. God bless |
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73 | Continuing search why 3 days in earth? | Matthew | gracefull | 93913 | ||
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74 | Jesus the Christ glorified! | Matt 10:28 | gracefull | 93910 | ||
Your statement that WOF teaches error, and I believe ALL teach error..and I believe we here on the forum ALL are at some point in error...which is why we must remain humble even in our strongest convictions. God bless |
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75 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93907 | ||
Ed's point exagerated what I said. I said we receive nothing from God apart from faith. In the covenant WE HAVE ENTERED with God...we receive every portion of that covenant by faith...from salvation, food, healing, wisdom, the Holy Spirit, nothing. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say anything that could remotely be interpreted as saying God created all things by through the faith of mankind. But afterward, He initiated the covenant WITH mankind and we enter and abide in that covenant BY FAITH. Emmaus, reread my post and you tell me if I made such an implication? I know very well what Ed was saying, and I tried to get him back on track of what I said because the direction he was going in was not at all what I was saying. The truth is that Ed does not try to hear what I am saying, but rather what I say is filtered through his concept of WOF doctrine. He tries to 'read between the lines' some hidden meaning when there is none. I rather believe he missed my point. But after you re read it all, let me know if the message is not clear. I will certainly clarify further if need be. God bless you brother Emmaus |
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76 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93893 | ||
Part 2 You said... He is all knowing and all wise and my faith is placed in HIS wisdom. The Bible says "My God shall supply all my needs according to His riches and glory by Christ Jesus" (Phil 4:19) This is an interesting statement. You said this with confidence. Is that confidence faith in this promise? But if your first statement is true and God can change His mind regardless of what He has said, how can you be so sure He will fulfill this promise? I believe He is fulfilling this promise in my life BECAUSE HE SAID SO. Do you see the difference? You said... As an aside, you mentioned something about the laying on of hands to heal. My impression of your statment is that it is a requirement for healing. If you believe this - how is that scriptural? Is God limited to what He can do by our actions? No, that was not the message. You may have to read the post I was responding to. The previous post asked if I believed personal faith was the only way God healed. I was saying that our personal faith is not the only avenue God heals through. He can and often does heal through the faith of others, either by the simple act of faith of laying on of hands and prayer, or by the 'gift of healings'. You said... "I simply challenge you to truly examine WOF beliefs in light of the inerrant Word." I believe totally that the Word of God is inerrant...Jesus was the Word made flesh... but what does that mean to you? If it is inerrant, does that mean it is unchangable? Sealed with the blood and the Holy Spirit forever? That's what it means to me... From the heart, God bless |
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77 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93892 | ||
Hello Figgy, Part 1 of 2 You wrote... I wish I had the time to truly delve into this. However, with a one and a half year old trying to "help" mommy everytime I sit down at the computer, please forgive me for not being able to address each point that you make. Any omission on my part is not intended to ignore what you have taken precious time and thought to write. PLEASE no apology necessary. A lot is written here and there are many times there is just not the time to realy dig into these topics. Any and all comments and observations from all of us is an opportunity learn and grow. You said.. God is sovereign and can and will DO ANYTHING that he pleases regardless of our actions. We cannot control Him (however Biblical our desires may be) through any type of "personal faith development" (ie formulas). While I agree totally that God is sovereign, I disagree that He can do what He wants regardless of scripture. The reason I say this is two small verses that settle this matter for me.. Numbers 23:18-20 18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor: 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it. Luke 8:10-12 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Isaiah 55:10-11 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Figgy, as believers we have only two by which to place our faith, the Word and the Holy Spirit. These two are our connection to the Father. Now notice I did NOT say that Jesus is not our Saviour and Lord through which we are saved. But upon being born again we only have the Word and the Holy Spirit to guide us through life and show us the will of the Father. Without the Word, we would not have assurance that the spirit we are listening to is the Holy Spirit. So in light of this, the Word must be the final judgement in what we believe. God's Word is His New Covenant or will to His children. With this in mind, can God change His will randomly? Because God is sovereign He is the only one who could enter covenant with mankind because He is the only one with the authority to carry it out, and He chose to enter covenant with mankind. God conditioned in His covenant with Abraham that He can't break covenant and remain God. You, and others on the forum believe God can choose to do something that contradicts His covenant because He is sovereign. I believe He has committed Himself To His covenant and cannot change by His own choice. If that is heresy...I remain a heretic, because MY GOD IS FAITHFUL. That is the foundation of my faith. Otherwise, your faith in your salvation promised through Jesus is only as good as God chooses. My faith in my salvation through Jesus is secure because He said so IN HIS WORD. God bless |
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78 | Did Uzzah has given chance to repent | Num 4:15 | gracefull | 93887 | ||
Hello Aixen 7x4, Yes I thought of that, and also the fact that he was acting under authority. That raises some interesting prospects doesn't it? God bless |
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79 | Continuing search why 3 days in earth? | Matthew | gracefull | 93886 | ||
That is an interesting point to note. I draw a zero on that one... Tim, does the word 'chains'or 'darkness' in Jude 1:6 resemble 'prison' in 1 Peter 20? God bless |
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80 | Continuing search why 3 days in earth? | Matthew | gracefull | 93877 | ||
Thanks Tim, That makes a lot more sense. I wondered why Searcher said 'pote'. So 'Pote' means 'once upon a time'? Thank you for the input. Also any comments from your Greek expertise on 'commend' in Luke 23:46? God bless |
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