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1 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98721 | ||
The Hebrew was not so from Mormons, but a correction is note worthy and no problem to take, thank you... You're not seeing what I'm saying though... remember, this is not a debate over Mormon doctrine... so lets leave them alone and focus soley on the Bible... There are many passages that state there is only one God yes... but where in the Bible does it state this is the "Trinity" and the Godhead is no where explained as that of the "Trinity" in the Nicene Creed... that is the problem with the doctrine, yes, the creeds states it and gives a detailed definition, but the Bible does not teach the doctine of the Trinity, the creeds do... do you see my delema? I base my beliefs on the Bible, and the Trinity is not in the Bible, so how can it be upheld as concrete? Explain the Apostle Steven's vision then... And back to the origanal topic... Since when in the Bible was it taught that there are to be no more Apostles or Prophets, it doesn't... When doctrines are set out to be the absolute, how can they be when they are not in Bible? I know you will quote those same verses, but then I quote Acts 7:55-56... but if the Bible does not contradict itself, how can Christ stand on the right hand of the Father if they are the same... "Being" Or Christs prayer in John 17, where He prays that we may be one in Him, as He is one in the Father, that we all might be one with the Father... or John 20:17 where Christ ackowledges sebing subject to the Father, "...To my God, and your God." This argument can be faught til we're both blue in the face with supporting scripture for each side, which I'm not trying to do... So if we can do this, why should we not have Apostles and Prophets to settle these petty doctrinal issues? As far as I've read, God doesn't like confusion, which is why He had Prophets and Apostles Am I making any logical sense? Joe |
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2 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 98731 | ||
Greetings Joe! Reformer Joe already made an excellent response to your post, but allow me to make a few more comments. 1) Trinity: You wrote: "There are many passages that state there is only one God yes... but where in the Bible does it state this is the "Trinity" and the Godhead is no where explained as that of the "Trinity" in the Nicene Creed... that is the problem with the doctrine, yes, the creeds states it and gives a detailed definition, but the Bible does not teach the doctine of the Trinity, the creeds do... do you see my delema? I base my beliefs on the Bible, and the Trinity is not in the Bible, so how can it be upheld as concrete?" Yet, the Trinity is taught in the Bible. Does it come out and say: "This is the doctrine of the trinity!" No! But, as Joe already pointed out, the Bible does teach: a) That there is only one God, period! b) That the Father is God. c) That Jesus is God. d) That the Holy Spirit is God. e) That these three are distinct Persons. Now, how can all of these statements above be true at the same time. If we make Father, Son, and Holy Ghost into three Gods, then we violate the first Biblical premise (The Shema). If we say that there is only one God but He simply manifests in three different ways, then we violate the last Biblical premise (the heresy of modalism). So, the doctrine of the Trinity is simply a systematic way of explaining the above truths - one God, three Persons. 2) Apostles and Prophets: You wrote: "So if we can do this, why should we not have Apostles and Prophets to settle these petty doctrinal issues? As far as I've read, God doesn't like confusion, which is why He had Prophets and Apostles." If this were true (i.e. - that prophets and apostles solve all petty doctrinal issues), why were there so many false doctrines floating around while the apostles were still alive. Colossians is one letter written simply to combat false doctrine. Galatians is another. Even if we still had Apostles and Prophets today (it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other), the Bible is still God's self-revelation to man and our only source of authority. So, they would have to be in agreement with it anyway, else they would be false prophets. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98819 | ||
Tim, good information... I do have a response... here goes... "a) That there is only one God, period! b) That the Father is God. c) That Jesus is God. d) That the Holy Spirit is God. e) That these three are distinct Persons." Maybe every Protostent I have talked to has just been wrong about the Trinity and your explination is correct... I do not know exactly... But if there is one God, and three personages... then that would make God a shared Title rather than singular person of power, am I correct? And If I remember right, if Colossians is a letter to combat false doctrine then, how can it be proven that this false doctrine isn't being practiced today and a Modern Day Apostle isn't needed to relate to them? The same doctrine was set before that letter was written... It is now your turn :) Joe |
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4 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 98824 | ||
Greetings Joe! Good evening! You must be a night owl too! :-) The definition I laid out for the Trinity is the orthodox definition - regardless of what you may have heard! ;-) In response to your question though, the Trinity does not teach that 'God' is a shared Title. It says that there is only One God, not three. But, that One God is also manifested in the Bible as three distinct Persons - Father, Son, and Spirit. Here is the 'mysterious' part. How can Three be One? We don't know, but we do know what Scripture says. So, if Scripture says that there is only one God, yet Scripture also says that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God, then they must be! :-) I'm not sure what you are saying in your last point. Colossians was written to combat an early form of Gnosticism that denied the full Deity of Jesus. So, if someone denies the full Deity of Christ, then they would be guilty of the error taught against in Colossians. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98838 | ||
Right now I am Tim, I work graveyard... and I have to drive 750 miles to Seatle so I might be back tomorrow... Joe |
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6 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 98840 | ||
Greetings Joe! Been there, done that! :-) I have been a bi-vocational pastor most of my ministry. My work has always been 3rd shift. I started work as a baker when I was just starting High School, so I have been working 3rd's for about 20 of the last 25 years. :-) Well, I have to pick up my daughter from Kindergarten. Have a safe trip my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 99022 | ||
Oh yeah, my Dad's been a baker for 30 plus years... Joe |
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8 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 99025 | ||
Greetings Joe! Poor guy! :-) At various times throughout my life, I have been baking for about 17 years total. Did you have a good trip? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 99088 | ||
It was long, I'm recovering, not so tired... but all in all, good trip Joe |
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