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1 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98681 | ||
Justme, thank you for the references... I have actually seen most of these on my own before, but what confuses me is that some of the bold statements made, saying they don't believe Christ is the Redeemer and was resurected, is not supported by any of these writtings, they all support the Redeemer and Resurection... I think the funniest thing is when I try and explain my job, I'm a Combat Engineer in the US Army, to a civilian who has no understanding of the Military Languague... I compare this to that of the religions of the world... especially the LDS Church... if I've never been explained to, their definition of a certain word, I would assume that they are flangelant and completely wrong... What does this phrase mean to you...? "I'm an E-1, before I can be promoted I need X amount of P-Points, X amount of time in service, I must attend PLDC, pass my APFT, go through and intview at a battalion promotion board, and be slotted in my Company for promotion, and be recomended by my chain of command." Sure, you may understand some of these, like Promotion, Interview, Recomended... but what is an APFT? or PLDC? and P-Points? if you've never learned about the Army you cannot understand what this means... I feel the same is to religious members to people not in their sect/denomination/cult what ever you so may place on them... The Mormon definition of Salvation is equal the Army definition of a Promotion... now as a Private E-1 it is Impossible to be promoted from a Private... Promotions take place when you become a Non Commissioned Office, NCO, you may become a Speacialist, E-4, but that is an Advancement, not a promotion, it takes all the same aspects of a Promotion but teachnically is not and does not have all of the same expectations and responcibilities Now, my point, the Mormon definition of Salvation is equal to what the rest of the world calls Sanctification... and every church I've studied believes Sanctification can only be obtained through their Church... so where are the Mormons so wrong in their understanding of salvation? They are not, everyone else is either in the Navy, Marines, AirForce, or are civilians and just doesn't completely understand their Lingo which is a cause for many of these type of accusations... Justme, I do not understand your point of these referances since what I read in the Bible is not compromised by these quotes... please explain... I eargerly await your reply, Joe |
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2 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 98726 | ||
You wrote: "Now, my point, the Mormon definition of Salvation is equal to what the rest of the world calls Sanctification... and every church I've studied believes Sanctification can only be obtained through their Church... so where are the Mormons so wrong in their understanding of salvation?" Because biblically, sanctification (our being made righteous in practice) is subsequent to justification (being pardoned and declared righteous because of Christ's obedience and sacrifice for His people). I am going to heaven because of what Jesus did for me, not because of what I did for myself. My best actions are imperfectly good ones, and our infinitely holy God accepts nothing less than perfect obedience; that is, obedience like Christ provided on my behalf. Therefore, the LDS version of salvation is like sanctification, but according to the Bible our progressive sanctification is the EVIDENCE and FRUIT of being saved, not the BASIS of me being saved. --Joe! |
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3 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98823 | ||
Joe you make a good point. What I was trying to get to is this, the LDS understanding of Salvation is much greater than the general Christian understanding... And to get into what the general Christian world view of Heaven by LDS terms, is to have have faith. So when talking about an equally worth of a destination the LDS and the general Christians all agree... Faith alone will get you there... But the LDS Church believes in Exaltation, which is what they generically call Salvation... See my point on understnading each others terminology? We may use the same words as another, but the meanings can be very diferent... It's like American English and British English, for the most part we can understand each other, but I'd be lost in some areas unless I learned their terminology... Joe |
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4 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 98832 | ||
"So when talking about an equally worth of a destination the LDS and the general Christians all agree... Faith alone will get you there..." Actually, Mormons teach that almost everyone will be going to one of the three heavens. Other than apostate Mormons and "anti's" like me, hell (the "outer darkness") is pretty empty. I am aware of the way cults like the LDS manipulate Christian terminology to mean something different. Most aberrant groups have their own jargon, "code" vocabulary, or altered definitions of theological terms that lexically isolates their members from having meaningful theological conversations outside the group. Defining terms is indeed important. The LDS has defined them incorrectly. --Joe! |
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5 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 99021 | ||
"Other than apostate Mormons and "anti's" like me, hell (the "outer darkness") is pretty empty." I believe you were miss informed... Not necisarrily "Apostate" Mormons... if someone never had a true testimony, they would not be held in the same reguard, and as far as "Anti's"... unless you're so Anti as to go out and murder on behalf of this, that is not the case... only those who would classify as the "Son of Perdition" would go to outer darkness... Anti Mormons are not the osn of perdition... Joe |
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6 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 99027 | ||
In any case, Mormon hell is pretty empty. Not the way Jesus described it at all. --Joe! |
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