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1 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | iverson | 74106 | ||
Are the offices of Apostles and Prophets still needed today? | ||||||
2 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 74107 | ||
iverson: Welcome to the Forum! Good question, and many question the same things. This is a debatable subject. For those who are of a charasmatic background they might, or would say yes. I am not of that understanding of Scripture, and say this; Apostles were limited to those who had a literal first hand eye witness to the life of Jesus Christ. For me that ends that part, that there are no present day Aposrles. Prophets again is mainly identified with charismatic or pentacostal bacgrounds. This is used largely among Word of Faith movement believers. I find this gift miss-used today. Hank Hanegraaff in his book COUNTERFET REVIVAL calls this "fabrications, fantasies, and frauds. I openly admit this book of Hanegraaff's is my position as well. Perhaps the greatest of these false prophets seem to come out of the Toronto Airport Vineyard. Many are those who become discouraged, and weak Christians, who have been duped, and nearly destroyed by the Word of Faith movement. TBN television being a permoter of such false prophets, and false Christianity. Such false prophets and teachers as Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, Joyce Meyer, Bill McCartney, Oral Roberts, John and Carol Arnott, Jack Coe, Paul Crouch, Jack Deere, Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Rick Joyner, Jimmy Swaggart, John White, Smith Wigglesworth, John and Carol Wimble, are just a few of the past and present who are part of this apostasty. These names come from Hanegraaff's COUNTERFEIT REVIAL. I STRONGLY suggest that every Christain read Hanegraaff's COUNTERFEIT REVIVAL and Chrisit IN CHRISTIANITY. Those who are in this false movement will attack the Scriptual truth and defend these false teachers to the enth degree. I openly admit this is a rapidly growing movement that I believe is the most dangerious threat to inmature Christians, who are not well grounded in Scripture. I hope this helps you. I am sure this may be more than you expected, but it is as complet as I could do. Blessings. justme |
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3 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98252 | ||
If I may clarify one thing... The term Prophet/Prophetes is set aside for those who have the gift of "Prophacy" females can have the gift of Prophacy as well... I don't see why we couldn't and shouldn't have Prophets today to establish peace between all the churches and correct any foul doctrine, since there's so many churches there has to be errors here and there |
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4 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98258 | ||
Dachande: Welcome to the Forum. Noteworthy Point you make. As you may know that a Prophet can frothtell or or fortell. Proclamation of God's Word is included in the forthtelling. There as some that would say that to speak the "Word of Knowledge" in English or tongues would be what you are refering to, perhaps. I am not of the opinion that the way Pat Robertson sends forth the "Word of Knowledge" is done in the Biblical context. So I would have serious doubts as to a man or woman had that as a genuine working gift of the voice of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps you may have some further thoughts on this? I would be interested to know if I hit on where you are coming from. Blessings. justme |
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5 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98327 | ||
Justme, I'm always willing to share my thoughts, and you are peaceful and humble in your reply, and I respect that I only propose the idea that, "Why can't we have Apostles or Prphets anymore?" The early Jews said that there were no more prophets, but John the Baptist ushered in Christ, and Christ established His Church with Apostles... I believe that if we had these same Holy Men, many of the contentions between denominations could be resolved... but then the problem goes back to the Jews regected the prophets time and time again... and even CHRIST... so who would say Apostles or Prophets would solve our confusion "As a world" on the exact meaning of scripture, how would we truely know if these men were sent of God proclaiming to know these things? Could we recognize them? Are we too stuck in our ways like the Jews? I believe that the same kind of responces of the early Church would happen today... Not because we're so righteous, or so sinful... because we are MEN, and to the Apostles Christ showed ALL things, to us, the Apostles revealed SOME things... I think we as humans are afraid of change/reformation of our religion... The Jews, the Christians, and I'm sure even the Asian religions faced the same issues... And what I said about errors here and there are not what I see... but what other Churches see in eachother... obviously for example, the Cathlic Church finds faults in the Protostent Churches, and vise versa, and even the many denominations condend with each other... My point is none of these Chruches establish that they have "Apostles or Prophets" leading their Church through direct devine relavation, like the origanal Church did... And if Apostles were to come again, how would we recognize them? and why can't they come again? mmm... how's that? :) I hope to hear from you, I don't make claims of knowing perfect doctrine, I just like to ask the "Why Not? Question" And Justme, I have never read the "Word of Knowledge" of which you speak Joe |
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6 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98342 | ||
Dachande: You present some interesting thoughts. I wonder, if at least in our country, if the anti-christian climate and politics are perhaps even worse than in Jesus lifetime? Quoting Christianity Today Oct. 2003 page 17 by Ted Olsen, "V. Gene Robinson who was recently confirmed as an Episcopal Chruch bishop despite his noncelibate homosexual relationship." Now if this was not insulting enough to all who claim Jesus Christ as Lord, here is a remarkable quote from V. Gene Robinson himself that brings into clear focus Robinson's doctine, or lack there of. Same sourse and author "Just simply to say that it goes against tradition and the teaching of the church and Scriptures does not necessarily make it wrong." Upon reading this myself, I had to reread it twice to believe my eyes! This twisted man who has been confirmed by a group of seriously flawed "so called Christians" is nothing short of deserving of the wrath of hellfire from our Holy Father the Lord Almighty! Joe, the one of the major problems is people act on what they themselves think and feel rather what Holy Scripture says. Opinions are nice but often are very wrong. Would you not agree? I am reminded of 1 Timothy chapter 6. There is significant warnings about exactally what we are dialoguing about here. What's your scriptual view on all this? justme |
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7 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | Dachande | 98400 | ||
I'm sorry I was not able to get back to you sooner... I read something interesting last night at work, around, 1829-1832, there was a Church in London founded by a man named Irving, they were known as Irvingites. He founded the Church of the bases of Prophets and Apostles but was very different, the Prophets were actually Prophetesses and the only revilation the proclaimed was through the commonly practiced "Speaking of Tounges", I don't remember which denomination class that would be, and since I can't remember, I won't guess, we're all familiar with it. But the biggest point is that these Prophetesses were above the Apostles and the self sustained and founding minister, Irving... No offence to women, but for females to have an authoritive position in leading the Church it is completely unBiblical, I'm sure we'll all familiar with 1 Corinthians. The office of a Prophetess is rather Biblical though, Arron's sister Miriam was a Prophetess, Ex.15:20... Needless to say these Prophetesses also went against one of the teachings of Paul, "Thou shalt not rebuke an Elder, but entreat him as a father." These women were damning the founder and minister Irving... Needless to say from all understanding from my reading, that Church collapsed... I will investigate their history as is it rather interesting... Justme, I agree with you on Gene Robinson, the thought is he's ever read Leviticus comes to mind :) and to boldly state that God's teachings and scriptures are wrong about sexuality is to say "If God is wrong about one thing, why can't he be wrong about another? or all things, or were these revelations truely devine?" Which is absolutly obsurd, that man has undermind the Lords authority and integrity when he has no Biblical support for his "Biblically Immorality" and still thinks he is worthy to speak on the things of God. He is absolutly unworthy of such a title. And then again, since when did God call his ministers by leting MEN "VOTE"!!! It truely is an abomination in all Biblical Teachings, a man must be called of God and ordained by the Laying on of Hands, the Bible says it... But then again... even though I have read it a few times, maybe I haven't "really read it" yet as an opposing argument. But I believe we argee on this issue... And I truely believe that our country and world is more Anti-Christian than in the days of the origanal Church, but less so from the "Non-Christians" Our MAJOR Anti-Christianity problems seem to flow from... "Christianity" Many denominations fight over doctrine and accuse each other of False Doctrines and False Prophets... becoming the "Accusers" Paul spoke of... Here are two examples of anti Christian litterature... Holy Terror, and The God Makers Holy Terror was written as an Anti-Born Again Christian work... and The God Makers as an Anti-LDS work... and upon reading the content of both books they are almost parellel in their accusations against the Born Again's and Mormon's... but upon discussing these with members of the Born Again faith and the LDS faith, these two books are complete exadurations and false teachings against these two Churches... and these books have self proclaimed Christian Authors... I think this is horrible, these are not the only examples I've seen, I've seen the Baptists curse the Mormon's, the Cathlics, Jehovah Witteness, 7th Day Advin, and the Southern Baptist against the... "General" Baptists... and other Church litterature back and forth, and when you compare what they say to a truely educated member of that faith, they testify that these things are not true... if these thigns are not true, why are they being printed against fellow Christians? Take it I know the LDS, Cathlic, 7th Day, and JW's do'nt fall under the typical term "Christian", but if they're so wrong, why be the Accusers? Won't the Lord bring order to his followers? |
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8 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 98402 | ||
Hello Dechande, Yes, the Lord will bring order to His followers, but these groups are not His followers. The shepherds of the local churches are obligated to defend the sheep against these destructive teachings (Acts 20:28-31; Titus 1:10-16). Steve |
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