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1 | Is Jesus YHWH? | OT general | Aniset | 107199 | ||
The person who became known as Jesus Christ did not begin life here on earth. He himself spoke of his prehuman heavenly life. (Joh 3:13; 6:38, 62; 8:23, 42, 58) John 1:1, 2 gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying: "In the beginning the Word [Gr., Lo´gos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god ["was divine," AT; Mo; or "of divine being," Böhmer; Stage (both German)]. This one was in the beginning with God." Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Ps 90:2; Re 15:3), the Word's being with God from "the beginning" must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah's creative works. This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as "the firstborn of all creation," "the beginning of the creation by God." (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14) Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God's first creation, his firstborn Son. That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus' own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, "I live because of the Father." According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice.-Joh 6:56, 57. Not a co-Creator. The Son's share in the creative works, however, did not make him a co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God through his holy spirit, or active force. (Ge 1:2; Ps 33:6) And since Jehovah is the Source of all life, all animate creation, visible and invisible, owes its life to him. (Ps 36:9) Rather than a co-Creator, then, the Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator, worked. Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as do all the Scriptures.-Mt 19:4-6 |
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2 | Is Jesus YHWH? | OT general | Taleb | 107222 | ||
Aniset, you stated, “Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Ps 90:2; Re 15:3), the Word's being with God from "the beginning" must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah's creative works.You wrote: “Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as do all the Scriptures.-Mt 19:4-6” Not true! If you read Psalm 89:20-27, you will better understand how Scripture interrupts Scripture. David was the youngest of Jesse’s sons, yet God declared He would make David “the first-born”. God didn’t change the “order of David’s birth”. God meant by “the first born” that David would have preeminent over all the kings of Israel. David is still considered Israel’s “best”. In the context of Col. 1:15, we learn that Col 1:16 informs us “for by Him (Jesus Christ) were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL things were created by Him (Jesus Christ) and for Him (Jesus Christ).” Surely you are not suggesting that Jesus created Himself, since it clearly states Jesus is the creator of all. This is often confirmed in Scripture. Like Eph 2:9 “…mysteries, which from the beginning of the world have been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.” Concering your claim Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14) –“Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God's first creation, his firstborn Son.” Haven’t you NOTICED what else Revelation declares concerning the term “the beginning”? Rev 21:6-7 states that the Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the end … I will be their God…” God places Himself in context with the beginning AND the end. Apparently, “beginning” (the Greek word “arche”, from Rev. 3:14) MEANS something other than what you thought. It is the same word we get architect from. In other verses it is translated governor, magistrates, first, principalities. It is also the same word that you will find in Luke 12:11. “arche” is translated “government officials”. Taking Scripture as a whole, Rev. 3:14 IS plainly talking about Jesus Christ (the creator of all things), is the ruler of God’s creation. Blessinigs, Taleb |
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3 | Is Jesus YHWH? | OT general | Morant61 | 107258 | ||
Greetings Taleb! Excellent post my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is Jesus YHWH? | OT general | Taleb | 107268 | ||
Merry Christmas, Tim. Thank you for the ongoing words of wisdom that this forum experiances because of your writings. May this joyous season of acknowledging our Lord and Saviour, Jesus the Christ's birth, reign in your home. From the American Translation I offer this word for you and yours from Him. Hebrews 13:20-21 "May God, the giver of peace, who brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus who through the blood which He ratified the everlasting agreement has become the Great Shepherd of the sheep, fit you, Tim Moran, by EVERY blessing to do His will, and through Jesus Christ carry out in us what will please Him. To Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen!" And again I say - Merry Christmas! Taleb P.S. Jesus IS!!!! |
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