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1 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36669 | ||
It is true that baptism without belief will not save. For why would a person be baptized if they believe not. Mark 16:16 says that he that does not believe will be condemed. It is not necessary to say "and not be baptized." And for death bed salvation, my answer would be that it is in Gods hands. But from the scripture we know that we must be baptized. Theres just no way around it. In Acts 8:35 when Philip was speaking to the eunuch it says "he preached Jesus to him" and when he understood and believed Philip baptized him. A person has a responsibility like the eunuch to find the truth and obey it before its to late. Please read the following scriptures. Mark 13 No One Knows the Day or Hour (6) 32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming--in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning-- 36lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" Luke 17 The Coming of the Kingdom (3) 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21nor will they say, "See here!' or "See there!'[4] For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." 22Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, "Look here!' or "Look there!'[5] Do not go after them or follow them. 24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31"In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."[6] 37And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." (To clarify the two men in one bead is speaking of sick men in a sick bed. The Greek word used for bed in this context actualy means sick bead. Informations is from the Strongs Concordance.) Your life is a vapor. Make the most of it while you can. James 4 Do Not Boast About Tomorrow 13 Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will[1] go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit"; 14whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15Instead you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that." To sum it up theres only to things to ask about a person after they die to know if they are saved. 1. Did they obey the Gospel? 2. Did they live a Christian life? Hope this helps. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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2 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | childoftheking | 36692 | ||
Greetings all, It’s funny how things change after so many posts. The question had to do with if speaking in tongues were needed for Salvation, which we all agree the answer is an emphatic NO. If I may add to this discussion on Baptism: Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized--Baptism is here put for the external signature of the inner faith of the heart, just as "confessing with the mouth" is in Rom 10:10 ; “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” and there also as here this outward manifestation, once mentioned as the proper fruit of faith, is not repeated in what follows in Romans 10:11 “For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.” JFB We hold that persons are not saved by baptism, for we think, first of all that it seems out of character with the spiritual religion which Christ came to teach, that he should make salvation depend upon mere ceremony” Charles Spurgeon Baptism is important but has nothing to do with the saving of your soul but is a testimony of ones faith. Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women” Notice here that they “believed” first in the name of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:5 “Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)” Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;” To the woman who washed anointed and kissed Jesus’ feet, Jesus said to her Luke 7:48 “And he said unto her, ‘Thy sins are forgiven’” Luke 7:50 “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.” Jesus did not command her to go and get baptized to finish her Salvation. Acts 16:31 “They said, Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." Romans 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” KJV Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” John 11: 25-26 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God John 3:14-15 “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” John 20:31 “but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. I noticed just before posting this Tim had posted with some of the same verses that I have here but I left them anyway :-) Love in Christ bgg |
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3 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36846 | ||
I sent the same message to Tim. Why does the majority of the religous world deny the scriptures concerning baptism? When it is so clear that a person would have to be blind not to see it and read it. The entire bible centers around mans obediance to the will of God. Obediance, does this word give you a sick feeling? Is it hard for a person of your status to humble himself to be obedient to the word of God? Lets look at examples in the Old Testament first of obediance to Gods will. Gen 6 we read that God was sorry that He ever made man and was going to destroy them. But Noah verse 8 found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was commanded to build an ark that would hold his family food and the animals 7 clean and 2 unclean. But Noah was also commanded to use only Gopher wood. And we should thank God that he did or we might not be here today. And so you know the rest of the story. But the key word obediance is specefied in verses 6:22, 7:5, 7:9 and 7:16. Noah did as God commanded. Moveing on to Moses briefly, the construction of the tabernacle was extremly intricate. From Exodus 25-Exodus 31 the patteren for the tabernacle and priesthood was established. And God told Moses in verse 25:9 according to all that I show you, just so you make it. And from Ch. 35-39 the priesthood clothes and tabernacle funiture was made. And in Ch.39 it says concerning the construction of the tabernacle and all that was in them, ten times, Moses did according to all that the Lord had commanded him. Obediance to God is the only way to show our belief. And obediance is demanded of us. You say that we are given our salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Well I submit to you that God give Jericho to Joshua and and the people of Israel, but they still had to march around the city once for six days and seven times on the seventh. Obediance to God is what give them this victory. You remember the story of Naaman? He was commander of the army of the king of Syria. It says he was a great and honorable man and a mighty man of valor, but a leper. He went to see Elisha to be cleansed of the leprosy. He was told by a mesenger to go an wash in the river Jordan seven times. But wanting to have his way instead of Gods way, he wanted to substitute the rivers Abanah and Pharpar. He was furious because on the way to see Elisha he already had it figured out in his mind how he would make him well. He said, "Behold I thought". And then something was said to him by his servants, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it?" So Naaman rethought his position, went and washed and was cleansed. We have to do as we are told when concerning the will of God. There can be no man made substitutions. Obediance to the will of God is the only way. By these few examples can you not see that we must do all that the Lord has commanded us. And it doesn't matter if it is only spoken one time. If it was not something that God did not want us to do or to know it wouldn't be in the bible. The sad thing about most denominational churches is according to their creed book one is saved by accepting or believing in Christ, nothing more, but to become a member of the their church they require baptism. Thus requiring more for one to become a member of their church than God requires of us to be saved! Its just not right! In Proverbs 14:12 we read: Proverbs 14 12There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. And if we look at the example of Nanab and Abihu we can see that only death can result in not doing as the Lord has commanded. Leviticus 10 2So fire went out from the LORD and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Also Moses who struck the rock instead of speak to it was told he would not enter the promised land. Numbers 20 12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them to be continued...... Raven |
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