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1 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | hopalong | 188134 | ||
I answered based on the totality of Scriptures that speak towards this. If you have a different opinion, that's fine. Hi Mark, Are Peter and Paul reffering to the same event? And if they are, to what event do they refer. The "rapture"? or Christ's 2nd coming at the end of "the age". I believe that this Q is at the heart of our discussion. PS: I try to not be hasty or blunt when I respond...but the pressure and demands of running a home based business, at times, forces me to be brief. Hoppy |
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2 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | CDBJ | 188150 | ||
Hi Hoppy, I believe that the rapture and the day of the Lord are two different events but they will both take place on the same day. That “spectacular day” will start as a very, very dark day, so dark that the sun won’t even penetrate but the awesome power of God will roll up the clouds like a scroll when it snaps shut and the whole world will see God coming in His glory, believers and unbelievers alike, every eye will see Him, just like lighning. The believers will be praising God because they will know it is their glorious day of deliverance. The unbelievers, on the other hand, will be trying to hide from God’s wrath because they know they’re going to get clobbered because the day of His wrath is come, so they will be looking for a cave to hide in or a rock to crawl under. As soon as the believers in Christ are snatched away, i.e. the rapture, at the last trumpet, God is going to strike those left behind with His mighty wrath just like a thief in the night, to them that don’t believe in God’s glorious gospel of the message of His Christ. Paul speaks of two different groups in Thessalonians; it’s interesting to note the two groups; "believers" are spoken of as (we, you and us), and the "unbelievers" are described as (they and them). The “unbelievers” will be shouting peace and safety, holding to the promises of the lie conveyed by Satan’s man, the antichrist. God Himself by then will have sent those that “have rejected Jesus Christ” as their Saviour, strong delusions so that they will believe the lie of the antichrist. The elect of God will be relating the promises declared by the Bible and seeing the unfolding of perilous times as mentioned by Jesus in Matt 24. and elaborated on in Revelation. Many believers are going to be thinking that their faith is in vain because they have been taught that they wouldn’t face such troublesome times. Many believers alive at that time are going to be devastated thinking that the rapture isn't going to take place. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 17:29-30 (But the same day) ------- that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Two events but both occurring on one and the same day, one precedes the other but in very rapid succession, in a twinkling of an eye. When will the Lord’s Day take place? 2 Thes. 1:6-9 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When will the Lord avenge His elect of the suffering they are going to go through? This day, 2 Thes. 1:10 (When he shall come to be glorified in his saints,) ------------ and to be admired in “all them that believe” (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. CDBJ |
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3 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | skccab | 188151 | ||
Greetings, CDBJ, I just read your note, it leaves a question or two for me: 1 - Are we talking about the end of the tribulation? 2 - If so, and all who are caught away alive (and who have died in Christ) at this time are changed (glorified 1Cor. 15) - then who is going to be deceived when Satan is loosed for a season at the end of the millenium (certainly not glorified saints)? There is no ordinary human being to have children during this period if all the living and dead in Christ are glorified after the tribulation and before the millenium . I always figured it would be the people born (to those who believed and survived the tribulation) during the millenium that get deceived during that last "season" that the devil is loosed. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you didn't cover that part, or am I totally off in that area? blessings cheri |
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4 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | CDBJ | 188152 | ||
Greetings Cheri, Just for starters check out the 144,000 that God has sealed. Rev. 7:2-3 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. There is no evidence that these are believers at the time of there sealing. Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. CDBJ |
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5 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | skccab | 188153 | ||
CDBJ, Thank you for responding. Ok, I had forgotten them, but aren't they sealed for protection because they will preach the gospel? How can they preach that which they don't believe? So they must become believers, if not before the sealing, then afterward. And if they become believers, wouldn't they also be a part of the catching away? So that would still leave no one to procreate a people that could be deceived in the last "season." I'm really trying to figure this one out. cheri |
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