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1 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | kalos | 188508 | ||
No post-tribulation rapture. Ebrain: Thanks for your reply. I just want to point out that in my previous post I was not saying that the rapture came at the end of the tribulation. Nor was I denying that God did not appoint his children to wrath. Instead I was saying that God's wrath is not poured out until after the opening of the sixth seal (Rev. 6:12-17). Since God has not appointed us to wrath and since God's wrath is poured out after the opening of the sixth seal, then the rapture must take place some time between the opening of the sixth and seventh seals. Also to say that the rapture occurs some time between the opening of the sixth and seventh seals is not to set a date. We know how long the tribulation period (Daniel's seventieth week) is, but we don't know how long after the beginning of the tribulation the sixth seal is opened. We do not know the date of the opening of the sixth seal. I just wanted to clarify that for anyone who is reading this thread. Grace to you, Kalos |
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2 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188510 | ||
Thank you Kalos for your post. I have no problem with it, and am in complete agreement with the sentiments you express. You will note that what I had to say, was a copy of a post I sent to another site, namely http://www.biblestudy.com/biblestudy/ and was not intended as a reply to yours, but merely to say something more about "wrath". It is comforting to have the input of another "Pre-Trib", believer. Ken Smith has posted extensively on this other site, you might be interested to read what he has had to say, and perhaps even make a contribution yourself. Every blessing. Edwin. |
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3 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | kalos | 188512 | ||
Edwin, For the record, I believe in the Prewrath rapture as defined below. Prewrath vs. Pretrib Rapture Pretribulationalism 'Pretribulationists teach that the return of Christ has been imminent since the days of the early church and that the church will be raptured sometime before the seventieth week begins. Although they have no Scripture that in so many words teaches it, they teach that there are no signs and the rapture could take place at any moment. The seventieth week of Daniel is therefore considered to be a seven-year period of God's judgmental "tribulation" (hence the term pretribulation). This position generally views the seventieth week as the day of the Lord's wrath from which the church is excluded.' Prewrath 'The Prewrath position teaches that the true church will be raptured when the great tribulation by Antichrist, inspired by Satan, is cut short by God's day-of-the-Lord wrath, which will occur between the sixth and seventh seals of Revelation, sometime during the second half of the seventieth week. The persecution associated with the great tribulation of Antichrist is viewed as the wrath of Satan, whereas the events that follow, beginning with the seventh seal, are considered the wrath of God.' (www.solagroup.org) For more information, do a search for posts by "kalos" that contain the word "prewrath". Grace to you, Kalos |
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4 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188515 | ||
Hi Kalos. Thank you for your explanation, another person with whom I correspond claimed to be moving from "Pre-Trib", to "Pre-wrath", bellow is a copy of an e-mail I sent, and upon which I would value your comments. The Lord bless you.. Edwin. If by Pre-wrath, you mean that Christians are raptured before the, wrath of God is poured out on the earth, then I have no problem with that. However, the question is just when in time, does God's wrath start? There are differing views, some for example maintain that it starts in the middle of the tribulation, that is to say, it starts at the end of the first three and a half years, others think that it starts at the beginning.. Personally I am not sure, have a look at the 13 verses I posted to you running from Rev 6:16, to Rev 19:19, all of which include the word "Wrath", now I am well aware that sometimes it is speaking of the wrath of God, and sometimes the wrath of Satan. My own opinion is that there are only three Satan verses, namely Ch's 12:12, 14:8, and 18:3. And that all the other verses, ten in total refer to the wrath of God. Now it is a fact that Satan can only do what God allows him to do, and therefore, it could be argued that all that happens as a result of the outpouring of both the wrath of God, and the wrath of Satan, is as a result of the Divine will, and therefore, all seven years of the tribulation are the wrath of God, if this is the case, then both the Pre-Wrath, and the Per-Trib, position are identical?. |
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5 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | kalos | 188620 | ||
Edwin, Thanks for the reply. Regrettably, my time on the internet is severely limited. So I do not have time to compose answers to your questions, which in fact are good and reasonable questions. For further information on the wrath of God vs. the wrath of Satan and the timing of the rapture, see the books "The Sign" and "The Rapture Question Answered". Go to www.solagroup.org for more information regarding the author and publisher of these two books. Grace to you, Kalos |
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