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1 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | M.Royal | 188218 | ||
Hi Cheri, Thank you, your points have been noted. So far no-one has supplied any scriptures for the rapture that do not relate the day of the Lord/second coming, with notice to what Jesus taught the apostles, Matthew 24:29-31 where Jesus uses the terms "immediately after" "and then" to show an order of things. Neither Christ or the apostles have taught otherwise, however some scpiptures will give you a bigger picture of events and some in brief. ie when Jesus talks about the sun and moon being darkened it is a very shortened version of events which is explained further in Revelation 8:12,13. which gives you further links to the order of thing to come. Hope this is helpful to you Yours Sincerely M.Royal |
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2 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | stjohn | 188225 | ||
Hi Mr Royal Just a thought, ..... But, Jesus doesn't really come to earth in the rapture. please note that he meats us in the air. 1 Thess 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. This is just a guess, but I think this would qualify as a Scripture that does not relate to his coming in judgment. So, Paul pretty clearly teaches otherwise. What do you think? Could you show me please, where in Matthew, is the rapture? God bless. John |
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3 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | M.Royal | 188274 | ||
Hello John, Although we Jesus and the apostles taught about Christs return, there is no where written that it take place before the tribulation, even Rev.20:4.; the first ressurection takes place after the antichrist has reigned, and the next one is after the thousand year reign of Christ. So far the scriptures and Christ point to his return after the tribulation. Yours sincerely M.Royal |
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4 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | stjohn | 188279 | ||
Hi M.Royal Given the message in 1thess 5:8-10, v8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. v9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, v10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. My friend maybe you haven't taken a good look at what go's on in the Great Tribulation, But the (Wrath of God) is quite frightening, and very devastating, and I don't see much hope, in a post trib view of salvation. God In his Word makes is Very clear that he has NOT appointed His own for the wrath. Unless you can clear up this discrepancy in a post trib rapture, I would have to categorically reject a post trib rapture. and furthermore, I don't see how it carries out what we are told to do in verse 1Thess 5:11 "Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing." Quite on the contrary, I see a post trib Rapture as very discouraging, and therefore not doing what Scripture tells us to do. I would encourage you, to take another look my friend. Are you in the will of God teaching that he has appointed his children to wrath? We have a very gracious God, and a wonderful saviour in Jesus Christ, Lets look at the entire counsel of the Holly writ before we make a judgment on one part, and especially a part that should hold (hope) for God's Children, and not confusion and dismay. God bless. John |
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5 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | M.Royal | 188328 | ||
Hello John, Before we get to the wrath of God, it must be understood that the antichrists/beast must be revealed and reign, and decieve, and also overcome the saints Rev.13:. it is because of the ac/beasts reign that Gods wrath is promised on thos that have worshiped the ac/beast Rev. 14:9-12. Unless this is fulfilled the first ressurection cannot take place Rev. 20:4, as it includes those that were afflicted/killed during the reign of the ac/beast. This is the affliction/tribulation of the saints as taught by Jesus Matthew 24:5,9-13. Rev. 13:7,15. this is not the wrath of God. The following scriptures will be fulfilled before the first ressurection Rev. 14:12,13. Rev. 6:9-11. I hope this helps in the understanding of the order of events to come If you need more let me know. M.Royal |
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6 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | stjohn | 188346 | ||
Hi MRoyal, Well, none of the scriptures you have given me indicate a post trib rapture or catching away of the church. This has been a pattern of yours to fail to answer pertinent questions asked by myself and others as well. You keep handing over the same unconvincing Scriptures that not only do not give credence to your view but do not even address the questions that are posed by myself and others. I wish you would give us the respect of answering our questions. Several people now have asked you to answer their questions and you don't bother to answer them. You just keep repeating yourself. That's not a very convincing approach to getting your point across. You have said. "Before we get to the wrath of God, it must be understood that the antichrists/beast must be revealed and reign, and deceive, and also overcome the saints Rev.13:" Agreed. where is the catching away/rapture? you have also said. "it is because of the ac/beasts reign that Gods wrath is promised on those that have worshiped the ac/beast Rev. 14:9-12." Agreed. Where is the rapture/catching away? and where in matthew is a timeline that would indicate a post trib, mid trib or any trib rapture for that matter, I don't see the rapture in there. Where is it? Who are the 24 elders in white raiment that John sees waiting for him after he is caught up in the beginning of chapter 4 in revelation? It looks to me that they represent the Church. Do you have a better answer? If you need more let me know. I'll be glad to help you. I hope this has given you a better understanding of God's order of events God bless. John |
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