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1 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | mark d seyler | 188168 | ||
Hi Kalos, Just to present an alternative view . . . One of the foundational premises here is that the wrath of God is equal to the complete destruction of the sinners, as happened during the flood, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. This is given as a foundation to the assertion that these plagues will occur following the second coming of Jesus. The wrath, revealed from Heaven upon the ungodly during the time described in the Revelation, includes the "trumpet judgments", and the "bowl judgments". But do these judgments effect the complete destruction of the sinners out of the land? They do not. Therefore, they are not equal to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, nor are they equal to the flood. Therefore, this argument does not show a requirment that the trumpet and bowl judgments only following Jesus' second coming. There are many Scriptures that show God's wrath is revealed before Jesus' second coming. One more thing, concerning this idea that the persecution will somehow be "shortened from" 3.5 years cannot be correct. If it were, this would render Daniel 7:25 a false prophecy: ". . . and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and a dividing of a time (3.5 years)" That cannot be. The persection of these saints, beginning after the Abomination of Desolation, WILL last the full 3.5 years. It is, therefore, not "cut short" FROM 3.5 years, it is "cut short" TO 3.5 years. I do, however, heartily agree that God will remove His redeemed before He reveals His wrath, but even then, He will not turn away any who come to Him. They will, unfortunately, have missed the opportunity to escape these things that are coming upon the earth. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | CDBJ | 188259 | ||
Greetings Mark, With reference to your pointing out the Lord’s wrath as you stated: “Therefore, they are not equal to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, nor are they equal to the flood. Therefore, this argument does not show a requirment that the trumpet and bowl judgments only following Jesus' second coming.” I think that many try to read more into the verses about Noah and Lot then are actually taught. Luke 17:26-30 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Now from reading those verses can we “assume” that someone will be building an ark when it happens or gathering feed for all the animals? Maybe everyone will be wearing sandals and there won’t be any cars trucks or planes or if one looks back they could be turned into a pillar of salt, I gest? I believe the emphasis expressed in the previous verses is on the fact that God’s wrath will occur on the “very same day”; the day that God’s believers are delivered to safety and or removed from harm before God strikes, nothing more nothing less. CDBJ |
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3 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | mark d seyler | 188281 | ||
Hi CDBJ, The only point of comparison I referrenced in my post was the degree of judgment. I didn't cite any examples of fashion, culture, or occupation. The point I was making was specifically confined to the fact that the trumpet judgments, presented by Scripture as plagues, and wrath, were not directly comparable to the flood, or to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Those judgments were specifically to destroy the unrighteous entirely. The trumpet judgments are not. The trumpet judgments each have a specific limitation. This is a significant difference, and it is one that I am not comfortable overlooking. Love in Christ, Mark |
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