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1 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78358 | ||
But did the water save Noah'a 8? Or was it the ark? Does the pronoun have to agree ... I found four verse (there are more). What nounn is the hos talking about? John 1:15 John bore witness of Him, and cried out, saying, " This (hos) was He of whom I said, 'He who (hos) comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'" John 1:30 " This (hos) is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who (hos) has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.' John 1:42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "You are Sim on the so n of John; you shall be called Cephas" (which (hos) is translated Peter). Ephesians 1:9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which (hos) He purposed in Him. Searcher |
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2 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 78377 | ||
Dear Searcher, I'm not going to spend my time chasing rabbits because you don't want to deal with 1 Peter 3:20,21. What kind of work did you do to find these verses? Because John 1:15 doesn't make your case at all. You offer two, but there are three pronouns in that verse which refer to Jesus. All 3 are Masculine Singular! As an aside, I'm a curious type and wonder about things like how people came to choose their forum name. Yours is an interesting one, is there any particular reason you chose it? I like it because it suggest you have an active desire to find the truth. Anyway, back to the issue at hand. __________________ You say: "John 1:15 John bore witness of Him, and cried out, saying, " This (hos) was He of whom I said, 'He who (hos) comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'" Let's see what JOHN 1:15 has for us: "John bore witness of HIM" AUTOU, personal pronoun 'Him' is Masculine, Singular "THIS [man]" HOUTOS, demonstrative pronoun 'This' is Masculine, Singular "was he WHOM" HON, relative pronoun 'whom' is Masculine, Singular ________________ See Searcher, on this passage, you are wrong. On the others I can't say. As Gingrich and Danker says, the pronoun usually follows the gender and number of the antecedent. I'll let you do your own work on the others passages you cite. Back to 1 Peter 3:20,21. You have proven nothing. I've shown how the grammar directly connects 'baptism' that saves you with the 'water' 8 souls were brought safely through. You have NO proof, no evidence, no reason to deny this; it is only your theological bias which keeps you from accepting the clear evidence. Searcher, all you have to do is read the verse. You don't have to be a scholar to understand it. Baptism saves you...through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The salvation is not through works of merit, it is through faith in the grace of God. Wishing you well, Disciplerami |
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3 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | srbaegon | 78388 | ||
Hello Dispiclerami Your Greek grammer is correct here. No argument. But let's back up. What was baptism for? Matthew 3:6 (ESV) and they were baptized by [John] in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. Mark 1:4 (ESV) John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. The message was of repentance. The people confessed their sins and were baptized to demonstrate their commitment. At Pentecost, Peter picks up on this formula with the application to the Lord Jesus. Repent, then be baptized as an open acknowledgement of that repentance. In neither case is the act of baptism the saving agent. Rather it is the faith of the individual who repents from sin and to God/Christ. In 1 Peter 3:20-21, Peter makes the same application. Noah had faith in God and was saved by the flood. We have our faith in the Lord Jesus and are saved by baptism--not that it can do anything of itself, but it represents in Whom we put our trust. Steve |
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4 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 78392 | ||
Greetings Steve, If you are saying that baptism is the way to show one's faith in God, then I agree. Baptism, would typically be a demonstration of repentance -- but not necessarily, since some people just do the outward show. The only thing I want you to clarify is when are the sins washed away by the blood: before or during baptism? You asked what baptism is FOR? Good question. Baptism is FOR the remission of sins, just as Christ blood was shed FOR/WITH A VIEW TO remission of sins (Mt 26:26-28), and just as John's baptism was FOR the remission of sins. In John 3, after Jesus told Nicodemus the necessity of being born of water and the Spirit, the narrative speaks of John baptizing in the Aenon river and then a discussion on purification broke out. WHY? Because baptism was about being purified. Your statement "in neither case is the act of baptism the saving agent" is undeniable. I have never, in all my days, heard anyone suggest a thing. Have you misread something I posted? I'm curious :) Have a good day, Disciplerami |
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5 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | srbaegon | 78814 | ||
Hello Disciplerami Sins are washed away by the blood before baptism. If one says that baptism is necessary for salvation, then baptism must be the saving agent. Seems simple to me. Steve |
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