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1 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 77651 | ||
Greetings, No offense, but I think you are wrong twice. Commenting on 1 Peter 3:21, you say: "Corresponding to" or "symbolizes" (NIV) or "like figure" (KJV) is the Greek word antitupon. It means copy, a thing formed after some pattern, a thing resembling another, its counterpart. Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context." Wrong: Baptism is the 'antitype' and the thing he referred to in the previous verse is the 'type', the shadow, the symbol. Commenting on 1 Peter 3;20, you say, "Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context. I see two choices - the flood or the ark? Which saved Noah and his family? It was the ark. " You are wrong again: The antecedent is the 'water' they were brought safely through. I think it is an easy mistake to make, but the water has to be the 'type' of baptism. Noah and his family was baptized in water, a type of the antitype baptism which now saves us. You had the answer, but missed it. The water was a type of baptism, just as Moses passing through the sea was a type of baptism. Some were saved through it and other were swallowed up by it. Likewise, those who rejects Jesus' simple command to be baptized, will not be saved. You are so close to the truth but don't see it. You write: "The spiritual element associated with that water is what saved, not the water." How right you are. I couldn't have said it better myself. Here is the only problem you have, you keep denying what the Bible asserts: SALVATION HAPPENED AT THE WATER. Again, the spiritual element associated with the water is what saved, not the water. But the salvation happens AT the water. Good day. Disciperlami |
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2 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78307 | ||
1 Pet 3:21 starts, in the Greek ... oJ; kai; uJma'ß ajntivtupon ... Disciplerami, "which/that" ... Hos, in the Greek is not a pronoun. It may be a pronoun in English ... but, it is also an adjective, adverb and conjunction. "Corresponding to that" refers back to the ark ... it is what saved. 3:20 says, in the Greek, dieswvqhsan dij udatoß. saved through water ... the water didn't save them, the ark did. I was saved by the fireman who took be through the fire. Searcher |
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3 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | sniper | 78316 | ||
I was saved by God when he brought me safely through the water, just as you were saved by a fireman who brought you safely through the fire. Q: Did you build the fireman like Noah built the ark? |
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4 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78332 | ||
I built the fire :-o If you were through the water ... you coud not not have got wet, as Noah's 8 and the Israelites. |
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5 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | sniper | 78336 | ||
Do I detect humor? That is actually funny, good answer. I am not sure if there is any theology in that or not. Don't be so literal. The eight were brought safely through the water and baptism corresponds to that (type/antitype-the idea is that one is a shadow of the other not that they are exactly the same). |
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6 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78337 | ||
Wow ... if I am not to be literal, am I do be figurative? I doubt there is something between ... but maybe you go through the middle. I only am figurative, when the literal does not make sense. To me it make sense to take may view on Noah's 8 and the Israelites. Why wouldn't you be so literal in this passage? Searcher |
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7 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | sniper | 78339 | ||
I explained. Type/antitype. Shadow of the real thing. Reading the passge literally and understanding the type/antitype relationship will give a proper understanding. | ||||||
8 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78343 | ||
Go back to post # 77597 ... In part ... "Corresponding to" or "symbolizes" (NIV) or "like figure" (KJV) is the Greek word antitupon. It means copy, a thing formed after some pattern, a thing resembling another, its counterpart. Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context. I see two choices - the flood or the ark? Which saved Noah and his family? It was the ark. -- Does the baptism have to be water baptism, or can it be being baptized by the Spirit? Remember Noah's 8 didn't get wet. |
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9 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | sniper | 78410 | ||
True, Noah did not get wet. Noah was brought safely through the water though, and that is where the similarity is. God bless and have a good weekend:) |
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