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1 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75471 | ||
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2 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 77597 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Peter 3:18-22 ... "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him." "Corresponding to" or "symbolizes" (NIV) or "like figure" (KJV) is the Greek word antitupon. It means copy, a thing formed after some pattern, a thing resembling another, its counterpart. Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context. I see two choices - the flood or the ark? Which saved Noah and his family? It was the ark. The flood meant the destruction of the ungodly (2 Pet 2:5; 3:6). It removed the evil from the earth. "Not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God" is what Paul said in Colossains 2:11-12 where baptism is equated with being circumcised of heart. We see that Israel was also baptized (1 Cor 10:1-4). Both Noah's and Israel's "baptisms" were their transition from the old to the new. The spiritual element associated with that water is what saved, not the water. Cornelius and Company were saved before they were baptized in water (Act 10:44-48). The gift of tongues is given to the believer (1 Cor 12:3-11 (vs 10), 27-30 (vv 28, 30), 14:1-5). They were praising God, which unbelievers can't do (1 Cor 2:14). My thanks to CARM for their help. Searcher |
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3 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 77651 | ||
Greetings, No offense, but I think you are wrong twice. Commenting on 1 Peter 3:21, you say: "Corresponding to" or "symbolizes" (NIV) or "like figure" (KJV) is the Greek word antitupon. It means copy, a thing formed after some pattern, a thing resembling another, its counterpart. Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context." Wrong: Baptism is the 'antitype' and the thing he referred to in the previous verse is the 'type', the shadow, the symbol. Commenting on 1 Peter 3;20, you say, "Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context. I see two choices - the flood or the ark? Which saved Noah and his family? It was the ark. " You are wrong again: The antecedent is the 'water' they were brought safely through. I think it is an easy mistake to make, but the water has to be the 'type' of baptism. Noah and his family was baptized in water, a type of the antitype baptism which now saves us. You had the answer, but missed it. The water was a type of baptism, just as Moses passing through the sea was a type of baptism. Some were saved through it and other were swallowed up by it. Likewise, those who rejects Jesus' simple command to be baptized, will not be saved. You are so close to the truth but don't see it. You write: "The spiritual element associated with that water is what saved, not the water." How right you are. I couldn't have said it better myself. Here is the only problem you have, you keep denying what the Bible asserts: SALVATION HAPPENED AT THE WATER. Again, the spiritual element associated with the water is what saved, not the water. But the salvation happens AT the water. Good day. Disciperlami |
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4 | Disciperlami, Did Noah's 8 get wet? NO | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 77782 | ||
No - you are wrong. The water DID NOT save Noah and his family, the ark did. The water wiped out the wicked. The water DID NOT save the Israelites. They passed on dry ground, water was on either side ... they didn't get wet. The water wiped out the Egyptians. Disprove these facts. |
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5 | Disciperlami, Did Noah's 8 get wet? NO | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlpangilinan | 77786 | ||
Are you against baptism of the water? Are baptize in water or not? Did your congregation reject baptism? Godbless, |
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6 | Disciperlami, Did Noah's 8 get wet? NO | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 77787 | ||
Dear jlpangilinan, Searcher56 can't be taken serious. He obviously doesn't study the Scripture, but reacts to whatever is said. The people of Israel WERE 'baptized into Moses' having water above and to the side (1 Cor. 10:1,2). Their baptism is a type of Christian baptism: which is Paul's point in the Corinthian letter. If Searcher spent a little more time studying before responding, he would recognize his error. With Noah in 1 Peter 3:20, the connection of water in Noah's day to water of baptism goes completely over his head. From now on, Searcherer56 will talk to the air. No responses to him. Thanks for the comments, Disciplerami |
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7 | Disciperlami, Did Noah's 8 get wet? NO | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlpangilinan | 77791 | ||
Disciplerami, There are people saying they dont like the music, but afterwards saw them dancing in the said music. If searcher56 really against water baptism, then he against the teaching of Christ, if then they obseving water baptism in thier congregation, he maybe dance in the music that he didnt like. Water baptism indeed is commandment of Christ why keep attacking it.: Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. He said that why hard to us to just follow it. Christ subject Himself to be baptized by John, I dont think Christ will do that if it is not important. Mt 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. Do they think just do that for nothing? What do yout think. Bible written not to subject by reader conscluions, but to believed it. God bless, |
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8 | Disciperlami, Did Noah's 8 get wet? NO | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 77801 | ||
I agree. Searcher56 protests too much. He doesn't realize that his argument isn't with me. He is arguing against Jesus Christ. "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, he that believes not shall be condemned." (Mk 16:16). 1 Peter 3:21 says that Noah was brought safely through the water AND that baptism saves us....it saves us through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Good talking to you. God bless, Disciplerami |
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9 | Disciperlami, Did Noah's 8 get wet? NO | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 77808 | ||
Scripture ... Act 10:44-48, 1 Cor 2:14, 12:3-11, 27-30), 14:1-5 ... Cornelius and Company were saved before they were baptized in water (Act 10:44-48). The gift of tongues is given to the believer (1 Cor 12:3-11 (vs 10), 27-30 (vv 28, 30), 14:1-5). They were praising God, which unbelievers can't do (1 Cor 2:14). Do you want Scriptures? |
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