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1 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Emmaus | 75766 | ||
Another good question relating to baptism is: How did baptism heal Naaman of leprosy when he dippedin the Jordan. The story is an interesting read in its full context as a type foreshadowing the baptism and its scaramental aspects. Emmaus |
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2 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75775 | ||
Yes, the instance of Naaman is a good example of salvation by grace through faith. Healing is equated to God's grace and salvation. Dipping 7 times equates with the obedience of faith. But 1 Peter 3:21 is is even better. Peter even uses the word ANITUPON, antitype, and the water Noah was brought safely through the type. The baptism that saves was foreshadowed in the days of Noah. Incredible. People continue to say, but you can't be saved by works, you can't trust in works, God's salvation is a gift. True on every point. However, Noah couldn't be saved unless he got in the boat: he did it by faith. Now Noah might have been tempted to trust in the boat for his salvation, but not when he built it. He had never seen a flood, but trusted God. He built the ark when human reason would say it was ridiculous. When he got off of the ark, it is more likely that he credited God for his salvation and not his works. Same with baptism, it is a work of faith, but the faith is not in the work but in God. "YOU ARE SONS OF GOD THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS, FOR WHOEVER IS BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST, IS CLOTHED WITH CHRIST." - Gal. 3:26,27 The salvation is through faith in Christ, not faith in the watery grave. But being clothed with Christ (his righteousness?) occurs at baptism. |
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3 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Emmaus | 75779 | ||
And in a sacramental manner,the phsyical sign is the instrumentalmeans by which the grace is applied,as in "by water and the Spirit" or by "water and from above." Grace is the effectual cause and water the instrumental cause. Emmaus |
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4 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 75812 | ||
I agree, but I wouldn't use the word 'sacramental.' I have read your background, but do you agree that this is immersion as well? Good day. |
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5 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Emmaus | 75821 | ||
disciplerami, Most on the forum would not use the word sacramental, but as you might suspect from my profile, I am a scaramental kind of guy. I would say that immersion is the preferred method when possible, but pouring or even sprinkling in very rare cases of illness are acceptable and within the most acient practices of the Church. See the link below for a good expanation and documentation of where I stand on the question of immersion and the other methods. http://www.catholic.com/library/Baptism_Immersion_Only.asp Of course mine is a minority position on the forum, but you know about that place I think. :-) Emmaus |
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6 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 78349 | ||
Greetings, I think we probably have a lot in common, but I wonder if see any difference between a child being "baptized" and an adult being baptized? As I have tried to emphasize, baptism is effectual because God is pleased with the faith of the individual. What about infants? Is infant baptism effectual when the child has no faith? Disciplerami |
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7 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 78411 | ||
You wrote: "Is infant baptism effectual when the child has no faith?" Are "household baptisms" effectual when only the head of household has professed faith? --Joe! |
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8 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | sniper | 78415 | ||
May I intrude? Thank you. Are you referring to Acts 16? Have a good weekend:) |
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9 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 78421 | ||
"May I intrude? Thank you." No problem! You weren't intruding at all; every thread is fair game. :) "Are you referring to Acts 16?" Among other places, yes. --Joe! |
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10 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | sniper | 78427 | ||
Joe!, I am not familiar with the term "household baptisms". The Bible teaches that a person must believe and repent. If the whole household believed and repented, then they all participated in a valid baptism. Acts 16 tells us that the household was baptized so according to the Bible they all must have believed. Speculating, it is possible that a member felt pressure to be baptized and didn't really believe. In that case, the baptism did them no good. I am not aware of a doctrine which teaches household baptism, whereby the household leader believes and his belief is transferred to the others because of his position. If I am misunderstanding your question, please enlighten me. God bless. |
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11 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 78451 | ||
Hello, sniper. You wrote: 'I am not familiar with the term "household baptisms".' In the entire New Testament, only nine individuals (other than Jesus himself) are mentioned by name as having been baptized. The Ethiopian eunuch and Saul/Paul were probably single. Simon Magus and Gaius are not identified as either heading a household or not heading one. The households of the other five (Lydia, Crispus, the jailer, Stephanas, and Cornelius) were baptized upon profession of faith by the head of household. In most of the cases, the belief of the other members of the household is not mentioned at all. You wrote: "The Bible teaches that a person must believe and repent." In order to be justified, yes. I do not argue that baptized infants are automatically declared righteous before God. "If the whole household believed and repented, then they all participated in a valid baptism. Acts 16 tells us that the household was baptized so according to the Bible they all must have believed." The accounts make no mention of their belief. You are imposing your assumption that faith and repentance must precede baptism. "I am not aware of a doctrine which teaches household baptism, whereby the household leader believes and his belief is transferred to the others because of his position." We can clearly see, beginning from Genesis on, how God works not only with individuals, but also with whole families. Entire families and tribes are included among God's covenant people, even when many of them show themselves individually not to be true children of God. Again, note that I am not saying that someone is born again by being sprinkled as an infant, nor does the parent's faith serve as the instrument for the child's justification. --Joe! |
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