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1 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Beja | 207764 | ||
1. Yes, I have a calvinistic outlook on security of the believer. I ofcourse want to know the intended meaning of the text regardless what that may be. But I originally put forward the question to be resolved within this security of the believer framework not because its what I believe, but because outside of that understanding its not a problem. What I mean is this, if you are comfortable with the idea you can loose your salvation then this text is no difficulty at all, so why debate it with that assumption? However, in a sense you could say I'm trying to fit it into this security of the believer framework because I believe scripture teaches that and therefore whatever the answer to this will therefore be in harmony with that teaching. 2. I believe that whatever he is talking about here is something that could happen. When I originally stated that I wasn't looking for that explination I meant that I have heard people argue the following: Paul is arguing that if a person lost their salvation they couldn't get it back but it could never happen and he just wants us to know what would hypothetically happen if we could. I find this horribly lacking. These are what I was meaining in my original post when I said those things. |
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2 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 207770 | ||
Beja, thanks for your response. Your point 1 is well said: "... if you are comfortable with the idea you can lose your salvation then this text is no difficulty at all..." I agree. Regarding your second point, I agree that the hypothetical theory is a wash-out. However, I'm a little confused when you said, "I believe that whatever he is talking about here is something that could happen." Holding to the doctrine of eternal security, I assume you mean that "whatever he is talking about could happen" in no way includes the idea that one can forfeit their salvation. Is this a correct assumption? |
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3 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Beja | 207784 | ||
lookn, You had asked if I thought that the author considered apostasy something that could actually happen. My response was that I believe that whatever he is talking about here is something that could happen. What I meant about that was this: That if apostasy is indeed what he is referring to, then he must see it as a real possibility. I says "whatever" simply because we have not yet determined with any certainty what exactly he is talking about. But whatever it is, whether apostasy, or something else, he is speaking of a situation that is a real threat to whichever group he is talking about. Now granted, a few verses later he is clear that he expects better from his readers, but whatever he is warning of is real. It is hard to be more specific when we are not talking about some concrete examples. For example, if what we determine this text to mean that you can loose the opportunity to be saved but not loose your salvation, then clearly this is a real danger, but it is a real danger that a saved christian could not face. And in such a case the warning would just be to those who have not yet become christians among them. But regardless, that would still be something very real to worry about for whoever it is he is warning. However, I hope I've clarified what I mean. |
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4 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 207845 | ||
Beja, You stated it is "not yet determined with any certainty what exactly he is talking about...whether apostasy, or something else..." I would think the writer of the Hebrew epistle makes it clear he is speaking of apostasy. How is it not clear and what else could he be warning about? |
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