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1 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | DocTrinsograce | 207714 | ||
Dear Tim, Wow, that must be frustrating. I'd hate it if I only had commentaries I disagreed with to consult. The consistency of the orthodox commentators is the point of Hebrews 6: A dire warning indeed! For the tares don't know they are tares. I've not had any success in tracking down Richard Allen's take on Hebrews 6. :-( However, I did find Adam Clarke's comments on the issue: On Hebrews 6:4 he writes, "I do not consider them as having any reference to any person professing Christianity. They do not belong, nor are they applicable, to backsliders of any kind. They belong to apostates from Christianity; to such as reject the whole Christian system, and its author, the Lord Jesus. And to those of them only who join with the blaspheming Jews, call Christ an impostor, and vindicate His murderers in having crucified Him as a malefactor; and thus they render their salvation impossible." Imagine that! A whole set of folks who are outside of prevenient grace. So, now we have Arminius' take that they are lost, Wesley's take that they are saved, and Clarke's take that they are apostates. So far, I've got three Arminians and three opinions. I'll keep looking to find out what the others had to say. In Him, Doc PS By the way, I did uncover something curious: a Jacob Mann published a Bible translation in 1805. It rendered Hebrews 6:4a as "It is possible..." (omitting the word "not"). Apparently it was known as the "Arminian Testament." I wasn't able to find a machine readable version of this translation. However, I will check with a friend of mine who sells old, out of print, theology books. |
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2 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 207729 | ||
Greetings Doc! I didn't say they were the only ones I had access to, just that I had access to a lot of them. :-) There are a couple of interesting tidbits about this passage. There is a Syriac version which gives the text as 'it is impossible for them to sin again'. The Syriac and Ethiopic versions use the word 'baptized' instead of 'enlightened'. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | DocTrinsograce | 207794 | ||
Dear Tim, Continuing in my search, I can't find one single thing that directly relates to Hebrews 6 by Charles Finney. He wasn't much for citing Scripture. I did find two other Arminian commentators: B. W. Johnson agrees with Adam Clarke, calling them "apostates" and "the most hardened of sinners." Edward Fudge, though, identifies the people in Hebrews 6:4 as being Christians, but only minimally instructed in the most basic principles. "Once is an important word," he says, "and means once for all time. This enlightenment can take place only once; it can not be repeated." So, now we have Arminius' take that they are lost; Wesley's and Fudge's take that they are saved; and Clarke's and Johnson's take that they are apostates. In Him, Doc |
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