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1 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | wak | 32977 | ||
But that's exactly the most promising aspect of the TNIV decision... What is in the Bible Society's heart??? It's not money as Joe and kalos stated, it certainly is not a popular decision, they can't be pandering to the liberals and the feminist niche... the downside is way too steep...they lose the center,the base. They have to be alienating virtually all of the academically minded. What are they THINKING??? Perhaps, the Society members are simply making an unpopular decision based on the courage of their convictions after much prayer. It doesn't strike me as a worldly decision. . |
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2 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | Makarios | 32979 | ||
wak, I seriously doubt that the Holy Spirit, or prayer, led them to renege on their commitment of abandoning all plans on publishing an NIV with gender-inclusive language. Can you explain that? I cannot imagine how lying to the evangelical world as a whole cannot be considered as a "worldly decision", unless you can find an instance in the Bible where we should lie to each other concerning God's Word. To seek worldly gain (money, wealth) rather than the approval of God is a worldly decision indeed! - Makarios |
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3 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | stjones | 32993 | ||
Hi, Makarios; It's not gender-inclusive. Gender inclusive would make God our Parent, not our Father, Jesus his Child, not his Son. That's the feminist objective. That was the NIVI The TNIV seeks (not necessarily successfully) to overcome the English langueage's lack of a neuter gender. What did Jesus mean when he said "For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."? (Luke 10:11) He said "everyone"; did he mean everyone? Did he mean that women can receive when they ask but may not find when they seek and may not have the door opened when they knock? Did he give men a better, more comprehensive promise? If he did then he acted completely out of character and Paul lied when he wrote "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) I hope nobody on this forum really thinks 2 Timothy 3:17 refers only to preparing men: "so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." Or that I have to forgive my brother seventy seven times (Matthew 18:21-22) but I can blow off my sister with impunity. The Bible wasn't written in English; every translation is a compromise. I can't see demonizing Zondervan for trying to overcome a well-known shortcoming of the target language. After all, they publish our host's NASB too. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | Makarios | 32996 | ||
Steve, I disagree with you, and I am at odds with you on this issue. It is obvious that both the NIVI and the TNIV are both "gender-inclusive", using inclusive language within their text. There is little difference between them, and you are wrong in your definition of the NIVI and in describing "inclusive language." Go to http://www.cbmw.org/ to get a listing of all of the mistranslated passages in the TNIV. Only one who does not know English would not know that the words "He", "man", or "him" in certain instances have a universal meaning. And a literal translation will reflect this, not seek to change it! I cannot see supporting Zondervan or the IBS in any way as being a reputable service, since they have reversed their plans 180 degrees from what they had promised us before. And our host has many more publishers than just Zondervan! - Makarios |
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5 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | Hank | 32999 | ||
Makarios, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If IBS and the publishers don't honor their own word not to publish a gender-neutral Bible, how can we be sure they are honoring God's word in their translation of it? --Hank | ||||||
6 | Good-bye, NIV | 2 Tim 3:16 | Makarios | 33001 | ||
I most certainly agree, Hank! :-) As I've said before: If they are so convinced that their NIV is incurably flawed (only after 24 years of its inception and becoming the bestselling Bible on the market) then who are we to argue with them? Thats enough persuasion for me to realize that they are publishing both NIVs at the same time only for monetary gain, and to never contribute to their organization again by boycotting their translations and study materials. In all honesty, my top two Bibles, the NASB and the ESV, are both produced by not-for-profit organizations, and I rejoice in that fact, having faith in both of those translation committees that their intentions were in the right place! As you well know, my friend, it is not just you and I who feel this way, but 20 well-distinguished Biblical scholars have also put their names to petition and have stated that they simply cannot endorse the TNIV (http://www.baptistpress.com). And they only waited 2 days after the Announcement by IBS and Zondervan to sign that petition! :-) That is what I call "quick action", and I am thankful that we have those scholars to speak for the church in protecting God's Word, in which He will preserve forever! Blessings to you my friend, Makarios |
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