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1 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187786 | ||
Hi Searcher, How many raptures are there, in your view? For me, the rapture is a singular event as those who are "in Christ" at a certain moment in history are caught up into the sky to be with Jesus. Those who had died are resurrected, and those still alive are joined to them, to meet the LORD in the air. As far as Revelation 20: Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years; Is this the verse you have in mind? I don't see a "catching up" in this verse, so I don't figure this to be the rapture. These are clearly ones who were beheaded during the reign of the beast, and so they would not include all of the believers throughout the age. This does not describe a translation of the living either. Seems to be different to me. Then there are the others "resurrected" if you will, in Rev. 20: Rev 20:5 and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; Even though these "live again", they are still the dead: Rev 20:12 and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, This is not the rapture, either. These are not the redeemed. Does this help to clarify? Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Searcher56 | 187833 | ||
Mark, I believe the rapture of Thessalonians and elsewhere maybe the second resurrection (Rev 20:5), since the first only included those who refused the mark and other things (Rev 20:4). If there is rapture before the tribulation, where are the belivers during the 1000 years? They are not going to reign with Him, since they didn't refuse the mark and other things (Rev 20:4). I think no matter when one belives we will be caught up, we have problems. For me it doesn't matter ... all that matters is that I'll live with Him forever. S |
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3 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187849 | ||
Hi Searcher, I've never heard this view before. There are a couple of things that occur to me about this. One is that while Rev. 20:4 says that these particular people will live and reign with Christ for the 1000 years, it doesn't say that none others will. If other Scriptures establish that others will be with Christ as well, that would still hold true. But this verse doesn't prevent that. Also, the second resurrection is hardly a resurrection. These, even after they live, are called "the dead". Personally, I believe that: The Bible is knowable. The Bible teaches a particular thing. Once we understand correctly, we see harmony. If there is rapture before the tribulation, we'll be exactly where the Bible says we'll be - with Jesus. Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Searcher56 | 187869 | ||
Mark, We will have to agree we differ. It is a minor point. I believe Revelation 20:4 states who'll be reigning with Christ and there will be no others. I think it is dangerous to add other, when the Bible doesn't. S | ||||||
5 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187873 | ||
Rev 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:10 and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon earth. Who do you suppose this is referring to? Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High: his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. This is another interesting verse in connection with this topic. then there is: 1Pe 2:9 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Just some thoughts, you needn't answer. Love in Christ, Mark |
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6 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Searcher56 | 187909 | ||
God's day to you, Mark, I am not sure I am correct being post-trib. I haven't studied it in depth, because it is not that important to me when I am maded alive forever more ... I know I'll be with Him forever. Revelation 5:9-10 are the saints who have died in the past, at the time of the scene, which includes our past and up to that time. Daniel 7:27 needed so be looked at the context, including verse 25 "He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." ... when are the saints worn down? I believe 1 Peter 2:9 is a current application or titles we have, even when it was written ... "You are" ... not "You will be" S |
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