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1 | Can we say Christs return is imminent? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187431 | ||
Knowing that there are two events that are preventing the return of Christ and our gathering to him. as clearly stated in (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4,8-110,and in conjuntion with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31. that his return is after the tribulation. As there are only 2 ressurections regarding end time events and the first is after the antichrist has done what he will to those who do not serve him, Revelation 13;1-9,11-18. How can we say Christs return is imminent without these event taking place? M.Royal |
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2 | Can we say Christs return is imminent? | 2 Thess 2:3 | justme | 187458 | ||
M.Royal: Everyday that passes is one day closer to the return of Jesus. However not everyone would say that there are two events that are preventing the return of Jesus Christ. Some say that Jesus will return after the tribulation, others say in the Mid-Tribulation. I believe when Jesus gave us His instructions in matthew 24. That that is a better place to understand His return than a theory based on one verse. Perhaps, we have been told so often that Christians will not suffer tribulation, that when real seriouc tribulation comes into a persons life they can not cope with it. Perhaps, it's better tosay it is a real possibility that Christiand may and if fact do suffer greatly, and be prepared to suffer for Christ. I personally believe in the Historic Premillennialism point of view. This is not intended to be anything but a kind reminder that there is much toconsider. justme |
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3 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187560 | ||
Hello Justme, Thanks for your response, your points have been noted. With reference to Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus clearly states that his return takes place after the sun and moon have been darkened, which Jesus states is after the tribulation. This is in agreement with countless other scriptures ie Acts 2:17-21. Joel 2:30,31. Again in Matthew 24: Jesus states "they shall deliver you up to be afflicted and shall kill you" This again is in agreement with the scriptures. However there are no scriptures that mention the rapture nor do the scriptures used for the rapture inany way teach that Christ return is before or in between the tribulation. They all refer to Christs return after the tribulation or the last/seventh trumpet and the gathering of the saints, so unless you know otherwise, according to the scriptures, then no matter how close the return of Jesus is the events before must be even closer. Sincerely M.Royal |
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4 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | skccab | 187577 | ||
Hi MRoyal, My understanding of the rapture and tribulation run like this: Jesus comes in the clouds to call His own away, He does not come to earth. The church is removed from earth to avoid the judgments that are to come (after all, we were judged at the corss, and in Jesus found not guilty). Then the tribulation, then the verses that you have quoted take place and the second coming of Christ takes place, His coming back to the earth to set up His millennial reign on earth. Yes, during this time Christians will be persecuted, but these are people who were not true Christians at the time of the rapture. blessings cheri |
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5 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187627 | ||
Hi Cheri, Thanks for your reply, your points have been noted. Can you please check the following scriptures with regards to the order of events therein and let me know your views based on them, thanks. Mat.24:29-31. Mark 13:24-27. Joel 2:31 1 Cor.15:51,52. Yours sincerely M.Royal |
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6 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | CDBJ | 187672 | ||
Hi M. Royal, I believe you could add a few other verses to your question if you don’t mind my two cents worth? Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' " Matthew 13:36-43 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field." 37He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! All of these verses tie in with, 2 Thes. 1:7-10 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, The following is the time frame of all the verses. 10when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. Rev. 6:12-14 records the same thing as Joel Rev. 6:12-14 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. CDBJ |
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7 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187675 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Thank you so much for your imput. I know that the end times is not always well explained and there is some confusion with how it is taught, yet it is the one subject in which we have hope; waiting for the return of Jesus when he comes in the clouds, 1 Cor.1:7,8. 1 Cor.15:51,52.Acts 1:11. Daniel 7:13,14. Rev.11:15. Not much importance is put on knowing/teaching the order of events before Christ comes in the clouds, but Jesus and the prophets told us what we needed to know so we would know what to expect before his return so as not to be swayed otherwise. Thanks again Sincerely M.Royal |
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8 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | CDBJ | 187686 | ||
Greetings M.Royal, For every verse of Scripture that speaks of Christ's first coming there are eight that talk about His second coming. CDBJ |
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9 | What is Christs first coming? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187745 | ||
Hello CDBJ, May I ask what are you referring to as Christs first coming? M.Royal |
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10 | What is Christs first coming? | 2 Thess 2:3 | CDBJ | 187758 | ||
The period of time from His birth until He died for my sins and then rose up from the dead and ascended to the throne of God where He sits at the Father’s right hand. It covered about a 33 year period of time; referred to as His first advent. CDBJ |
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11 | Why do we teach otherwise? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187765 | ||
Thanks CDBJ, The reason I asked is because with regard to Christs first advent and second advent there are no other advents/comings of Christ, so how is it that when the rapture is taught it is not in line with either the first advent which is plain that it could not be, or the second which according to scripture takes place at the last/seventh trumpet (1 Cor.15:51,52. Rev.10:7. Rev.11:15-19. The trumpets mentioned are found in Rev.8:-Revelation 11:.These trumpets are there as the consequence of the reign of the antichrist (Rev.14:8-10) With the understanding that according to the scripture, 1 Cor.15:51,52 is the last/seventh trumpet it can only take place after the tribulation, so why do we teach otherwise? M.Royal |
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12 | Why do we teach otherwise? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187768 | ||
M.Royal, Why would you think that the "last trump" of 1 Cor 15 is the "seventh trumpet" in Revelation? Are you thinking that no more trumpets will be blown after that? Since Zecheriah 14 specifies that the feast of Tabernacles will be kept during the millenium, and trumpets are to be blown during the feast of tabernacles, we know that there will be other trumpets sounded. Not to mention the likelyhood of more times beyond this. Granted, the 7 trumpets are a series, and one of those will be the last of that particular series, but why pick this series of trumpets? There are several other series of trumpet blowing mentioned in Scripture. Since 1 Thess 4 talks about this being perhaps the "trumpet of God", why pick a trumpet sounded by an angel? What would you offer as conclusive Scriptural teaching that this "last trump" is the seventh trumpet in Revelation? Love in Christ, Mark |
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13 | Why do we teach otherwise? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187842 | ||
Hi Mark, I realize that I have left one of your questions unanswered regarding the seventh/last trumpet. The answer is that it is the only trumpet that has Christ returning, none of the other trumpets have it, plus the other trumpets mentioned that sound before the seventh would be out of order. M.Royal |
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14 | Why do we teach otherwise? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187850 | ||
Revelation 11:15-19 (15) And the seventh angel trumpeted. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of the world became our Lord's, even of His Christ; and He shall reign to the ages of the ages. (16) And the twenty four elders sitting before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, (17) saying, We thank You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, because You took Your great power and reigned. (18) And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth. (19) And the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and a great hail occurred. As this is the passage concerning the sounding of the seventh trumpet, I don't see here either the rapture of the church, or the coming of Jesus in the clouds, to the earth. ? Love in Christ, Mark |
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15 | Do you have any scriptures? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 187893 | ||
Hi Mark, Matthew 24:29-31 clearly states "immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken; And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven;and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" Matt. 24:29-30. These are the words of Christ that his return is after the tribulation, and since the trumpets with Gods wrath is poured out on the antichrist and those that worshipped him (Rev.14:9-13). again I must ask do you have any scriptures to the confirm what you believe? M.Royal |
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16 | Do you have any scriptures? | 2 Thess 2:3 | stjohn | 187984 | ||
Hi M.Royal I hope you don't mind my asking, but where does it say that the rapture/catching away, has to be the same event, as Christ's coming in judgment? That seems to be a supposition. And I'm kinda wondering if you are going to answer Marks question, you kinda left it laying there? I thought the ball was in your cort. so to speak. I was really trying to follow this discussion but it is getting a little confusing when someone asks for scripture to lend authority to the asking of a question, that he was using scripture to ask! That doesn't really follow a logical line of reasoning. Would you please clear things up for me? Thanks. God bless. John |
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17 | Do you have any scriptures? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 188005 | ||
Hi John, So far we have not had any scriptures actually relating to what we call the rapture, so of coure until we can have scriptures to agree with what we call rapture we can only hold on to what we have. M.Royal |
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18 | Do you have any scriptures? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 188011 | ||
Hi M.Royal, I'd like to go back to this for a moment. If you wish to continue the discussion, we need to progress in an orderly manner. Where does the Bible teach that the events described at the sounding of the 7th trumpet include the second coming of Jesus? Or the rapture of the church? Would please be so kind as to point that out for me? Revelation 11:15-19 (15) And the seventh angel trumpeted. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of the world became our Lord's, even of His Christ; and He shall reign to the ages of the ages. (16) And the twenty four elders sitting before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, (17) saying, We thank You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, because You took Your great power and reigned. (18) And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth. (19) And the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and a great hail occurred. Love in Christ, Mark |
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19 | Do you have any scriptures? | 2 Thess 2:3 | M.Royal | 188057 | ||
Hi Mark, When you have a moment and check all seven angels which have the seven trumpets, and look at the events that they have, you will see that the seventh/last trumpet is the only one concerning the mystery of God being fulfilled, and the end, also the seventh vial, at which is said "it is done Rev.16:17. as did Jesus, Rev.21:1-8. I hope this goes some ways to answering your question, if you need further info let me know. Yours Sincerely M.Royal |
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