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1 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | jrcannon | 2230 | ||
It may help you to do some research into the literary devices used by Luke when he was writing in Acts. I do not contest your "tithing of your time," however, that, I do not believe, is the purpose for meeting on the "first day." I do not believe that Sunday is the new sabbath. I don't think it has much to do with the sabbath at all. I think if you do some investigation into Luke's style of writing and exactly what he was referring to in his devices, you will come to a better understanding of what Sunday is all about. Worship is to be done 7 days a week, which I am sure you will agree with, and is not just something done on Sunday. Further, "offering your time" or "tithing your time" for different thing is okay, but be careful that you do not fall into the trap of thinking that all of these things you do are for God. God doesn't need your Bible study time, he wrote the book, that time is for you, it is something you need, like water. Prayer services are the same. Sunday worship is the same. These time were not designed for God, he doesn't need them, but we do. Never should we forget just how wretched we are and how much we are in need of his grace. | ||||||
2 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | TerryM | 2313 | ||
The purpose for MY worshipping on SUNDAY is to give the Lord the first of my time. I tithe MY time unto the Lord. That is a personal decision I made. Now that is not to say that is the only time I worship. Everyday should be a day of praise, worship and thanksgiving. I believe we were created to give God praise. I am also aware that God does need our study times, services, etc. But He needs us to do them. These are times that we develop our relationship with God so that we then may proceed to inform others about Him. 2Ti 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". |
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3 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | jrcannon | 2351 | ||
Just to be clear on this, you wrote that you are also aware that "God does need our study times, services, etc." Do you mean that He needs us to do these things or are you stating that you realize that he does not need us to do these things? If God "needs" us to do these things I am curious as to where I might find that in the scriptures, especially in light of Acts 17:24-25? Further, your quotation of 2 Tim. 2:15 only shows our need for study, not God's. The decision to have an intimate relationship with God is entirely ours. | ||||||
4 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | TerryM | 2361 | ||
How else can we "rightly divide the word of truth" if we dont' study the word? You can not spread the gospel of Jesus Christ if you do not know it? You can not develop a relationship with someone you do not know? How else can we become effective doers of His word, if we dont' know what the word is? I think we need to do these things to accomplish the things God has ordained us to do. It is true that it is up to us to decide what kind of relationship to have with God. But I also believe that God desires to have a relationship with us. If not, then why would He ask us to "come unto Him"? There are no material things that we can manufacture or obtain that would be of any worth to God. I realize that. But praise does follow. But after searching the scriptures and applying them in our daily living and hearing the testimony of others and sharing our own experiences of His grace and mercies, we can't help but praise Him. For "if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out." |
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5 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | jrcannon | 2511 | ||
I understand what you are saying. I know exactly what you are saying when you say "You can not spread the gospel of Jesus Christ if you do not know it." I am a missionary (literally, not just because I am a christian, it is what I do for a living) and so I share with people daily from the Word. But it is more than just knowing his word, it is more than just living his word. It is feeling his word so that it dwells within you. I never meant to imply that God does not desire a relationship with us, quite the contrary. He loves us deeply and so desires us to be with him. However, while he does desire these things, he does not half to have them. There is a very real difference between the words need and want. God does not need, but he does want. I think we might be just touching the main point here in our conversation, and that real point is love. Faith and love in many instances are one in the same. Because we love God we have faith in him and our faith that God is who he is almost demands that we love him because of everything he has done for us. Remember James as he spoke about faith and works. He said that faith without works is dead (2:17) and a little further on he says that a person is justified by his works and not by faith alone. He talks about how faith produces action and that is why we do the things we do. Replace the word faith, with love and maybe you begin to see my point. It is not our faith alone that produce the works that we do. It is not our faith alone that causes us to study God's word, it is our love. I love God with all of my heart and I like to think of him as that father running toward his son and receiving him with open arms as we read in the story of the prodigal son. I don't do the things I do because I am ordained to do them. I don't do them because that is what God expects. I do them out of the pure love that I have for him. It stimulates my actions. Ain't no rock going to cry in my place, as long as I'm alive I will glorify his name. Not because he deserves it, not because I should do it, not because of any other reason, other than love. And that really was Jesus' message wasn't it? The greatest command is left up to our own will. Love the lord your God with all your heart. He can't make me do it, but then again he doesn't need to does he? | ||||||
6 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | TerryM | 2566 | ||
I think we are on the same page. I see what you were saying now. Faith does play a BIG part in our service and desire to study and develop a relationship with God. But I also believe a person has to work up to the point where their works, praise and study are the result of their love for God. God uses different people for different reasons. We are all given talents and gifts along with a measure of faith that we must develop. These are to be used to fulfill God's divine plan. With some people (me in particular), God instills a yearning to seek Him. While still in the muck and mire, God placed inside of me a desire to know more about Him. It was not because of my love of God that I studied the word and sought His counsel. All my thoughts and plans for me life were contrary to what God had in store for me. As a result, everything I touched and tried to accomplish failed. It was because of this frustration and despair that I sought God. Through His infinite grace and mercy I found redemption and peace. From this my love of God developed. They more mercy He showed me then more I loved Him. Now I desire to worship Him and study His word because of the love that developed from this relationship. Most would argue (and have) that this is not the way. I knew God in my head, but I did not know Him in my heart. I didnt' just wake up one morning and say "I love God so I am going to worship and praise Him". I was one of the heard headed ones He had to prove Himself to and I thank Him everyday for that patience and love. It brought me to the point where I can say I worship and praise God and study His word because I love Him. |
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7 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | jrcannon | 2584 | ||
You are right, we are on the same page now, but to clarify, everything we have been talking about up until now was about a Christian. About the motives and desires of a Christian, not an unbeliever. We began talking about you and what you are doing now, after your convertion. A whole different set of circumstances encompass a non-believer, but don't fool yourself, God still doesn't "need" to work in the hearts of anyone, there has to be an initial move on our part. You said it yourself, that God was in your head, but not in your heart. God may have nudged you in his direction, but I am sure it was you that made the first step. And it could have been a simple as asking "God are you really out there?" The father didn't go out to find the son in the story of the prodigal, but when he saw him on the road, he ran to meet him. The decision is ours and he is ready and willing to receive us. Anything other than this is a denile of the very thing that makes us special, more special than any of God's other creations, a free will. | ||||||
8 | This is true... | Col 2:16 | TerryM | 2587 | ||
This is true...we were talking about the motives of a Christian. Maybe I'm using the word wrong here...help me out. Before we are created, God has a specific plan/purpose for us to fulfill. Some people are predestined to do certain things. Before He can use us to further this plan, we have to be in a "place" in our spiritual lives. To get us to that "place" God will frustrate our plans until we end up right where He wants us. Everything will fail until there is nothing or no one else but God. When we are at this "place", and we allow ourselves to be put on the potter's wheel, then God can mold and shape us into the vessel He chooses. Now...I do believe we have some responsibility in this...we must take a step and make that decision to be molded. But I also believe that if God predetermined that he would use me for a specific plan, then He NEEDS me to get to that "place" so He can use me for that purpose. I didn't say GOD needs to work in our hearts, I said He needs us to do certain things so that He can use us. And the way that we can become that vessel is through teaching, studying and worship, which leads to an intimate relationship with God. Am I making sense? |
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9 | This is true... | Col 2:16 | jrcannon | 2600 | ||
Yes, you are making sense, however, be sure that you do not put us in such as a position as to make it seem like we are his slaves. You should also be careful not to misuse the word "predestined" that Paul uses in the new Testament. Further examination of these passages are needed (Rom. 8, Eph 1) in order to better understand. I am not going to lay out for you my viewpoints on this historically controversial subject, but I would like to invite you to study these passages further and don't just take them a first glance value. You would be cheating yourself. | ||||||