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1 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | BradK | 171600 | ||
Hello Dr.B, As you know, critics are numerous and I suspect all scholars have them:-) The internet is both a great source of information and a large bathroom wall!I don't know who Dr. Ron Powell is or what might have motivated his "agenda" against Dr. Weust. Supposing he's right- and has altuistic motives- then many of us have been duped! I guess my obvious question would be, "why is Dr. Powell any more of a credible authority than the late Dr. Weust"? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171605 | ||
Dear Brad, The way to discover if Dr. Powell is a more credible authority than Dr. Wuest is to analyse the information for yourself. I admit I have been unable to put much effort into it myself because I have none of Dr. Weusts works and only the words of Dr. Powell. But equally the question can be asked - "Why is Dr. Weust any more of a credible authority than Dr. Powell?" The more poignant point was raised from the Wikpedia page, which is far more easily verifiable. Dr. Weust in his examination of hell is clearly influenced greatly by pre-conceived Christian beliefs regarding hell, hades, tartarus and gehenna which have arisen since the New Testament was written, and quite clearly does not limit himself to an anaylsis of what the words meant when they were written. I don't need Dr. Powell or Wikpedia or anyone else to make that any more apparent than it already is. Okay and goodnight! Dr. B. |
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3 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | BradK | 171609 | ||
Dear DrB, Likewise, it would be more effort than I care to devote to analyze Dr. Powell's critique of Weust. I am familiar with Weust and have had his Word Studies set for well over a decade. I consider it a valuable work and very insightful:-) A better question has occurred to me: Why did Powell waste so much time in a critique/rebuttal to Weust's Book of Romans? I'd much rather have a Commentary on Romans by the more qualified and honest Dr. Powell-if in fact he is! I find it hard to swallow the insinuation that Powell himself has no "pre-conceived Christian beliefs" and is totally without theological bias of any sort? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | BradK | 171615 | ||
REPOST: FOLLOW UP ON DR. RON POWELL I did a little due-diligence. I checked the source and here's what I came up with. Decide for yourself. No bias or "pre-conceived Christian beliefs" by Dr. Ron Powell on the late Greek scholar Kenneth Weust??? Check for yourself: "KJV-ASIA.COM A Website Testifying Of God's Faithfulness In Preserving The Holy Bible Unto This Generation." I don't see any bias here!?! Further: "Dr. Powell upholds the King James Bible as being the perfect, preserved word of God. He does not, and will not, go to Greek or Hebrew to correct the English Bible, even though he has had three years of Greek [4.0 average] and one year of Hebrew [4.0 average]." Hmmm... I wonder why he is so critical of Weust?Come on and stop the appeal to altruism. We all have a bias-of-sorts if we're honest. Who's the pot calling the kettle black? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171619 | ||
Dear Brad, I think you may have mixed up two separate issues here and become hung up on Dr. Powell. I introduced the critique of Dr. Wuest in order to show the fact that Dr. Wuest has his own detractors on the simple veracity of his translation, and that even other Greek translators may disagree with him. The point in doing so was to show that you cannot simply wave a copy of Dr. Wuests work around as if it were gospel truth. Like any other source of information, it should be verified instead of being swallowed whole. I then introduced the Wikipedia quote to show that Dr. Wuest has other critics who claim that he brings what they call "preconceived theological and doctrinal considerations" into the task of pure exegesis. I did so to explain that the majority of the information Dr. Wuest provides regarding hell is not taken from the Greek words he uses to construct his vision of hell around, but from his preconceived notions of what he wants to talk about. I then provided information on the words Gehenna, Hades and Tartarus, and I must point out that this information was certainly not taken from Dr. Powell, so any aspersions on his bias are irrelevant to that part of the discussion. Gehenna - The Valley of Hinnom. Hades – Sheol. Tartarus - The lowest depths. The rest of the information that Dr. Weust brings to the table is clouded by his preconceived notion of hell as a fiery, subterranean world of demons. None of those words describe any such thing. Okay and thanks, Dr. B. |
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6 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | BradK | 171676 | ||
Dear DrB, Your use of metaphors is noted:-) Might I ask why YOUR view should be the excepted one and are you claiming to be free from any bias? I'm afraid I'll need to leave this discussion at this point as I see you have an entirely different view of hell that is outside the bounds of orthodoxy! That is my bias and I'll stand on it. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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7 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171685 | ||
Dear Brad, I get the feeling I need to drop out of a few discussions around here, as they appear to have grown out of all proportion from what was originally intended - which was merely to resolve a couple of unanswered questions that had been put to me. I trust you realise however that my tendency to write whole books of answers is brought on by my absolute love for the Word of God. You are perfectly right to question my own bias, and I would be a fool to claim that I have none. What I would point out in a closing statement, as it were, is simply this: Gehenna - The Valley of Hinnom. Hades – Sheol. Tartarus - The lowest depths. That is the basic meaning of those words and as far from any bias that I can get. Anything else you read about hell has been added by a man, and we all have biases and pre-conceived ideas. After that we must all work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Thanks once again, Dr. B. |
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8 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | BradK | 171697 | ||
Dear DrB, I will respect your reply on this matter and I understand the point you make. Though we do disagree, I appreciate your patience and tone of response:-) If I may encourage you, please feel free to add a User Profile about yourself. It does help in the area of both understanding and communication. You are welcome to read mine in case you haven't. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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