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Subject: Dr. B. Biblical support Angels can't sin |
Bible Note: Hello drbloor, You wrote: "If the wages of sin is death, and angels cannot die, then neither can they sin, or they would die, which they cannot do. At least, not according to Jesus." I have followed this thread with interest and have found you to be someone who appears to have a great deal of intelligence as well as bible knowledge. Will you please help me make sense of your above statement? A very obvious thought is, who is recorded as having committed the very first sin? Was it not Satan? Is Satan not an angel? I don't follow your argument here. To say that angels can't sin is so far out there that it makes it difficult to take anything else you say as credible. John 8:44 44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies . You said, "at least not according to Jesus". Jesus said Satan is a murderer and a liar. I'm believing at this point that you are fixed on the idea of physical death and forgetting the truth regarding the "second death". 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. Also see Revelation 2:11 and 21:8. God bless, Jeff |