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1 | 2 Corinthians- What is 'suffering' | 2 Cor 1:5 | Taleb | 80967 | ||
Good point, when you state, if I believe Scripture confirms my belief. It DOES confirm it – over and over and over - which is WHY I believe it. God's Word is what “taught” me. Too many have tried to "teach" me the erroneous concept that God has nothing to do with sickness, and that ALL sickness is of and only from satan. Realizing that Scripture “translates” Scripture, I can’t find any Scriptures that back up their doctrine about satan being the source of sickness. I, and my wife, have been healed numerous times over the years. I have prayed for people to be healed, and they have been healed. Feeling a check in my spirit, there have been times when I have NOT prayed for someone’s healing too. I am seldom sick, but when I am sick, it has always been for my benefit. And that verse you quoted in a previous posting fits. ALL things DO work together for good. ALL THINGS includes NOT just perfect health, but it includes sickness too. And it is so true. You mentioned that “Jesus could do no great works there because of unbelief.” Interesting, (that word “there”) because "there" doesn’t “necessarily” include anywhere except “there” wherever “there” happened to be. In other places, Jesus was very “selective” with His healing. The man at the pool couldn’t get in when the angel stirred the water because someone else always beat him into the pool. Every ailing person around that pool had “the faith” to be healed when the angel stirred the water. Only one at a time got healed, until that angel came back later to stir the water again. YET JESUS ONLY HEALED that one (who knows how many others missed their turn) who wasn’t able to get in fast enough. If God expects ALL with faith to receive “their healing”, why didn’t as many as could get into the pool receive healing? For that matter, why didn’t Jesus tell everyone, “You are all healed, go on home”? It is obvious they ALL had the faith - because they were "there" TO BE HEALED. How many times did Jesus walk by the man who was healed by Peter in Acts 3? That man had been placed there daily for years. And how come Peter didn’t heal him the day, week, or month before? It says they went there everyday to pray. And it says the man was laid there every day. There are soooooooooooo many other examples that cancel the doctrine of “perfect health” for all. Jesus even said in effect, "Doctors are for the sick." If sickness is NOT of God. Neither are doctors. Respectfully, Taleb |
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2 | 2 Corinthians- What is 'suffering' | 2 Cor 1:5 | gracefull | 81017 | ||
"You mentioned that “Jesus could do no great works there because of unbelief.” Interesting, (that word “there”) because "there" doesn’t “necessarily” include anywhere except “there” wherever “there” happened to be." "This is off the subject of healing sickness and desease but it does speak to 'unbelief'. And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Was this unbelief hindering God's work? Remember, Jesus had 'given them authority'. That is an interesting view point. Are you saying unbelief 'there' was somehow different form 'unbelief today? Their unbelief was unique? My friend...unbelief is unbelief and has the same effect regardless of the geographic location. Concerning the power of unbelief.... "And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Was this unbelief hindering God's work? Remember, Jesus had 'given them authority'. "How many times did Jesus walk by the man who was healed by Peter in Acts 3? That man had been placed there daily for years. And how come Peter didn’t heal him the day, week, or month before? It says they went there everyday to pray. And it says the man was laid there every day." What did Peter say of this miracle? "And on the basis of faith (25) in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all." Faith in the Name of Jesus made this man whole. As for Jesus passing many times, this is not stated in scripture..but if Jesus did pass many times, do you think Jesus was 'lacking in faith' that would have healed? Since he was healed by faith in Jesus then faith had to be lacking previously and it had to either be Peter's faith or the lame man's faith...Either way, it was 'by faith'. "There are soooooooooooo many other examples that cancel the doctrine of “perfect health” for all. Jesus even said in effect, "Doctors are for the sick." If sickness is NOT of God. Neither are doctors." God created doctors to correct the deseases He puts on us? No, if He wants us sick why would we go to doctors to get better. If He wants to teach us through sickness...we need to cease in our efforts to get well. Stop trying to resist God's will. This thread was created to discuss 2 Corinthians and it's use in the doctrine of sickness being the 'suffering with Christ' Paul was speaking of. Do you have any further observations on this particular study? I do not believe we should use these scriptures to promote a doctrine they in no wise state, regardless of your belief concerning God's will concerning sickness and desease. God bless |
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