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1 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132198 | ||
Did the Messiah have to be God in order to undo Adamic sin? All Scripture dealing with the merits of Jesus ransom equate him with Adam. Is his deity required in order to effect our redemption? | ||||||
2 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | BradK | 132208 | ||
alienresidient, Yes, the Messiah had to be God to forgive sin. In His plan, He needed to provide a perfect, sinless sacrifice to atone for the sins of mankind. John the Baptist heralds Christ as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" in John 1:29. This is clearly shown with the prediction in Is. 7:14, and founded in Is. 42:25 and Mark 2:7. His Diety too was absolutely required to effect redemption. He had to be both God and man to accomplish this. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 says: "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time." This may be too brief of an answer to convey this important foundational doctrine. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132218 | ||
Do you agree that the ransom became necessary the moment Adam sinned? The answer is yes, and the reason is because Adam's direct disobedience to God resulted in a death, his own - a perfect son of God. The consequences for Adam's sin cannot be overstated since his sin meant all his offspring would be born imperfect and subject to sickness and death, as well as the rebellious spirit he started. But the fact is: God's profound justice calls for "like for like." If God had so chose, he could have put Adam to death immediately and provided another Adam to die as compensation for the life the first Adam lost . You have to admit, the timing of the Messiah is not crucial to the price of the ransom. It could have come hundreds of years earlier or later, the fact that we benefit today proves this. As you quote at 1 Tim 2:5-6, the mediator was a man, but not any man. He was born sinless like the first man. This is essential to the ransom. Psalm 49:7,8 means that an imperfect man cannot redeem anyone! Thus, the price is too high. Psalm 8:5 shows that God made the first man a little lower than heavenly beings. Hebrews 2:7 applies these words to Jesus as well. I'll stop there and let you digest these thoughts. |
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4 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | BradK | 132220 | ||
alien, I'm not sure if you're seeking further dialog or a response when you post "I'll stop there and let you digest these thoughts." ? Are you in agreement or trying to prove something else? I'm not sure. Maybe you could clarify? When you state "As you quote at 1 Tim 2:5-6, the mediator was a man, but not any man", I agree. The verse itself clearly says so. The implication is that He is more than just a man! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132225 | ||
He certainly is more than a man now. The God with whom he mediates for us has exalted him and granted him authority over heaven and earth. My point is that Adam was more than you or I, thus none of his offspring could provide the ransom. Another Adam was required, thus the virgin birth. Do you see the need for equivalency in divine justice? Pay the debt Adam incurred for forfeiting his perfect life and you fix the consequences - our death. My question is: Did the ransom need to be God? Again, I can find no reason to support this. The fact that God waited thousands of years to provide the ransom actually supports his nature. We can discuss that when someone at least agrees that it is not Scripturally "necessary" for the ransom to be God. |
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6 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | BradK | 132226 | ||
Alien, Actually, He's still both God AND man. Fully Divine and fully human- eternally! As to your question : "Did the ransom need to be God? Again, I can find no reason to support this." Any answer outside of scripture would be speculative at best, since God in His eternal plan designated a Savior, His Son, Jesus Christ. Did the ranson need to be God? Yes. Who else could it have been? I think we need to stay within the bounds of scripture when considering a question of this nature. God did not leave it open to a second option:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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