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1 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58810 | ||
Paul was writing to Timothy about a church he himself had established and apparently he was writing this letter nearer to the end of his life. If that was how he intended those words, why didn't he make that policy when he established that church? Why instead did he make that policy when there were problems in the local society, and inside the church body with gnosticism, where these solutions would serve? As for creation, that is a reference to what happens when the teacher is lead by the student. One, Woman shouldn't have been the one leading the debate with the devil. Man was "formed" first, meaning not just created, but also the one to whom God gave the instructions, the teachings. Woman was his pupil, yet he was there with her, and he heard her replies of incomplete knowledge of the Word and he did not step in. Not to correct her, not to chase off the devil. He let her incomplete knowledge of the Word deceive her, then he the teacher, just went along with the student. She got herself killed with incomplete knowledge of the Word. While her teacher "was there with her". As for Catholic practices--- so far all my research indicates that it was they who shut the door to women in ministry and teaching positions. Beginning with the Council of Laodicea in 352 AD they began a systematic ceasing of such practices by forbidding existing women roles one by one. Beginning in 352 AD where they wrote, "One ought not to establish in the church the women called overseers." If I follow your logic, they weren't overriding the Bible, they would have been restoring it to what the Apostles intended. I'm afraid you have offered me nothing convincing or convicting. I will have to continue to pray about and research this. As Paul advises in 1Cor14, praying in the spirit and praying in the mind. I am sure you are sincere in your convictions, and I respect your opinion, but I think your logic and your arguments are flawed. I would appreciate your opinion on 1Jer 31:33,34 though. Do you feel this prophecy was fulfilled with Jesus? And how would it work into the doctrine of 'the elect'. I have been reading about that here on this forum and I'm very confused. Thank you Melanie |
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2 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 58854 | ||
You think my logic is flawed because you do not want to believe it. The fact is, Paul wrote a letter to a church correcting them on many things. One of the things was that they were allowing women to speak in the assembly and he told them to quit it. This is just too plain to be misunderstood unless somebody has a theory to defend. As for Jer. 31:33,34, no I do not believe this has been fulfilled. I believe this is speaking of the future--restored Israel. As for now, they are "divorced" from Jehovah as an adulterous wife. The church is the virgin bride of Christ. We must keep them separate. The Lord has not cast away His people forever. He will bring them back and that is what this is speaking of. |
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3 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58858 | ||
I think your logic is flawed because the Spirit keeps bringing me back to this sticky point. As it happens I happen to be a dutiful submissive wife and I do speak through my husband and ask my questions through my husband at church because the Spirit quite sternly brought me to this passage after a debate with my pastor in a Wednesday night study class he was leading. And in our church nobody expects or desires the women not to speak or question for themselves! But our pastor is young and is newly ordained and sometimes my questions would make him feel inadequate to answer them. They weren't harsh or argumentative, but they would just be a point he hadn't considered or studied. The man works a full time job to support his family and he pastors full time. He simply doesn't have the time to study that I do. When he does study a scripture or an issue though, the man is a lion. So don't picture him as an ineffectual or ignorant overseer. He's bright, articulate, and Godly. FILLED with the Spirit when he is preaching. Since he began our little church membership has doubled, so don't get the wrong idea about him. In any event, after that night the Spirit pulled me out of my normal schedule of reading and brought me to the 1Cor verse. It nearly broke my heart. But I obeied. Even though it's not the custom in our church as I said. And having obeied in Faith, the Spirit imparted to me the Wisdom that it had directed me to this Scripture for my pastor. Not as a slap against me. Though I did get some indications that I was also supposed to take some lesson in learning to accept rebuke. So I hope you see that I do not approach the Scripture based on what I do or do not want to believe. But having accepted the rebuke, and having obeied the Scripture, and gotten my heart right with it, and having left it behind....the Spirit has now brought me back to it. With the mind that your interpretation of it is not correct, or not entirely correct, or something. I don't have any set in stone conclusions yet because the lesson is on-going, but I do know that those who come at me with dogmatic, 'just memorize the book' persuasions and demands, are a trial to my right frame of mind. I have to pray doubly hard because I don't know if I'm digging in my heels because the Spirit wants me to or if it is just in reaction to religious spirits getting in my face! Hm. And I hadn't thought of your reference to the divorce. Interesting. And I know you are going to think I am being argumentative but what about Hosea? |
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4 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 58891 | ||
First of all, I am in the same boat as your pastor. I too am a pastor of a small church and work a full-time job. Thanks be to God who has made it a very flexible job that understands the needs of a pastor. You said you didn't agree with my interpretation of I Cor. 14:34. Honestly, I don't see how else to interpret "Let your women keep silence in the churches (notice, this is plural); for it is not permitted (not that it is not a custom, but, that it is not permitted--that sounds like a rule of faith) unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience which also (this is not part of the OT law for the law ALSO says this) saith the law." This is not a hard passage to "interpret." Again, you have to look outside of the Bible to come to the conclusion that this is a custom. If you are looking for commentary to help you with it, I would suggest you didn't look at some of these newer liberal commentaries. Look at some of the older ones which knew more about the Bible than the preachers today who are just interested in nickels and noses. As to Hosea, I am impressed that you mentioned that book. I preached on it not too long ago and I noticed people having to look to the index to see where it is. I guess we are tempted to stay in the New Testament more than the Old. Anyway, I believe Hosea divorced his wife. I believe this is seen in Hos. 2:2. However, I believe he took her back and restored her. I believe this is a picture of Israel. I believe presently that she is divorced from God (Jer. 3:7-8). However, just as Hosea prophesied, I believe the Lord is going to restore the nation of Israel and fulfill the remainder of the OT prophecies. God bless. |
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