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1 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58810 | ||
Paul was writing to Timothy about a church he himself had established and apparently he was writing this letter nearer to the end of his life. If that was how he intended those words, why didn't he make that policy when he established that church? Why instead did he make that policy when there were problems in the local society, and inside the church body with gnosticism, where these solutions would serve? As for creation, that is a reference to what happens when the teacher is lead by the student. One, Woman shouldn't have been the one leading the debate with the devil. Man was "formed" first, meaning not just created, but also the one to whom God gave the instructions, the teachings. Woman was his pupil, yet he was there with her, and he heard her replies of incomplete knowledge of the Word and he did not step in. Not to correct her, not to chase off the devil. He let her incomplete knowledge of the Word deceive her, then he the teacher, just went along with the student. She got herself killed with incomplete knowledge of the Word. While her teacher "was there with her". As for Catholic practices--- so far all my research indicates that it was they who shut the door to women in ministry and teaching positions. Beginning with the Council of Laodicea in 352 AD they began a systematic ceasing of such practices by forbidding existing women roles one by one. Beginning in 352 AD where they wrote, "One ought not to establish in the church the women called overseers." If I follow your logic, they weren't overriding the Bible, they would have been restoring it to what the Apostles intended. I'm afraid you have offered me nothing convincing or convicting. I will have to continue to pray about and research this. As Paul advises in 1Cor14, praying in the spirit and praying in the mind. I am sure you are sincere in your convictions, and I respect your opinion, but I think your logic and your arguments are flawed. I would appreciate your opinion on 1Jer 31:33,34 though. Do you feel this prophecy was fulfilled with Jesus? And how would it work into the doctrine of 'the elect'. I have been reading about that here on this forum and I'm very confused. Thank you Melanie |
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2 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | kalos | 58822 | ||
"women keep silent in the churches" 1 Cor 14:34,35 'The principle of women not speaking in church services is universal; this applies to all the churches, not just locally, geographically, or culturally. The context in this verse concerns prophecy, but includes the general theme of the chapter, i.e., tongues. Rather than leading, they are to be submissive as God's Word makes clear. 'It is not coincidental that many modern churches that have tongues-speaking and claim gifts of healings and miracles also permit women to lead worship, preach, and teach. Women may be gifted teachers, but they are not permitted by God "to speak" in churches. In fact, for them to do so is "shameful," meaning "disgraceful." Apparently, certain women were out of order in disruptively asking questions publicly in the chaotic services.' (Source of quote available upon emailed request.) It should come as no surprise that the same individual(s) who reject(s) Biblical teaching on church discipline also reject(s) Biblical teaching on church order. |
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3 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58836 | ||
The Lord said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him mute or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" Exodus 4:11 So I'm not going to worry about just not hearing you. |
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4 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | kalos | 58845 | ||
It should come as no surprise that the same individual(s) who reject(s) Biblical teaching on church discipline also reject(s) Biblical teaching on church order. |
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5 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58848 | ||
Oh. For a minute there I thought I hit rewind, but I get it now. We're exchanging non-Biblical quotes. Sorry. That last Biblical quote of mine was out of order then. Okay. Here's one for you. "Meaning must be determined in terms of use and convention along with also some definite ontological tie to the world. Without the combination, utterances could not be accurately defined between what is a reflection of what is going on in the world and what is a reflection of what is going on in the mind.... ....When God spoke through the human author He intended that the words used in the Biblical text were meant to communicate something about the entire reality which surrounds us. When approaching the Bible, a reader must comprehend the extra-linguistic referents so he can be reasonably certain that his understanding of God's message is correct." I'm not reasonably certain that either of us have the message correct, but I am reasonably certain you don't use this method. Still want to play? Melanie |
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