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1 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58716 | ||
So how do the men in your church greet each other with the holy kiss? As Paul and Peter both say you should do each time you meet? I've always been curious about that. Now I've found a church that sticks so strigently to the Word in their practices, I can finally get the answer. So how do you give a holy kiss? And is it every time you meet? Or just every time you come to church? |
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2 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 58724 | ||
I have practiced this at times, though not at all every time. Generally I shake hands with folks. Surely, you see that you are grasping for straws in this argument. You are speaking about a type of greeting which is not necessarily in the assembly and specific instructions on worship practices. There is not doubt that women are told to keep silent in the mixed assemblies twice in Scripture. The thinking that we can just throw things out that we don't agree with is a dangerous doctrine. |
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3 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58728 | ||
My point and I agree. But I wonder how you can use in your arguement the differing social methods and practices of locality,language, custom, tradition, language context, etc., in translating Scripture when it is instructions to men, then insist that these same be dismissed when viewing Scriptures instructing women. And actually I was serious, too. How do you kiss? The European cheek and cheek? The hoi-poloi buzz the air by the cheek? I've always wondered. |
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4 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 58762 | ||
You need a lot of help with tact. Anyway, it was not a custom that Paul was referring to in either his epistle to the Corinthian church or his letter to Timothy. That women were to remain silent was a matter of church conduct. There is not even a hint that this was to go on outside the church--only inside. That means it was church policy and we don't have a right or reason to change it. |
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5 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58769 | ||
Okay. Politely, where do you get that this was church policy? Jews of that time didn't even segregate the women from worship as they do now. Rules were that Pharisees were forbidden in most cases to talk to women, but I've never found anywhere that says the women couldn't talk. I'm not being rude here. I am truly studying this and I genuinely want to know where you are getting the information that says this was a matter of church conduct so that I can study it. Thanks in advance, Melanie |
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6 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 58802 | ||
Nothing against you, but, it's sad that we live in a day and age when such a question would be asked. I, as well as many believers (and as far as I can tell, most all believers up until less than a century ago)get that this is church policy from I Cor. 14:34--"Let your women keep silence IN THE CHURCHES (this makes it church policy--now listen to the next part and see if it sounds like just a customary thing) for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak; buy they are COMMANDED to be under obedience as ALSO saith the law." Paul is not speaking here to Pharisees, he is speaking to one of the Lord's churches. If we believe that we can disregard this as "custom", we have opened up a can of worms that ends in Catholicism. Catholics openly believe that they have the authority to override the Bible and many protestants have learned that from her. I Tim. 2:11-13 says, "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, ten Eve." You see, it wasn't a custom thing. It's a creation thing. Paul here was writing to Timothy--a pastor--instructing him on this same issue. There is no room in Scripture left open for change on this issue. The only way we can change it, is it wrongly label it as merely custom. If we do this with this issue, where will we stop? God bless. |
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7 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58810 | ||
Paul was writing to Timothy about a church he himself had established and apparently he was writing this letter nearer to the end of his life. If that was how he intended those words, why didn't he make that policy when he established that church? Why instead did he make that policy when there were problems in the local society, and inside the church body with gnosticism, where these solutions would serve? As for creation, that is a reference to what happens when the teacher is lead by the student. One, Woman shouldn't have been the one leading the debate with the devil. Man was "formed" first, meaning not just created, but also the one to whom God gave the instructions, the teachings. Woman was his pupil, yet he was there with her, and he heard her replies of incomplete knowledge of the Word and he did not step in. Not to correct her, not to chase off the devil. He let her incomplete knowledge of the Word deceive her, then he the teacher, just went along with the student. She got herself killed with incomplete knowledge of the Word. While her teacher "was there with her". As for Catholic practices--- so far all my research indicates that it was they who shut the door to women in ministry and teaching positions. Beginning with the Council of Laodicea in 352 AD they began a systematic ceasing of such practices by forbidding existing women roles one by one. Beginning in 352 AD where they wrote, "One ought not to establish in the church the women called overseers." If I follow your logic, they weren't overriding the Bible, they would have been restoring it to what the Apostles intended. I'm afraid you have offered me nothing convincing or convicting. I will have to continue to pray about and research this. As Paul advises in 1Cor14, praying in the spirit and praying in the mind. I am sure you are sincere in your convictions, and I respect your opinion, but I think your logic and your arguments are flawed. I would appreciate your opinion on 1Jer 31:33,34 though. Do you feel this prophecy was fulfilled with Jesus? And how would it work into the doctrine of 'the elect'. I have been reading about that here on this forum and I'm very confused. Thank you Melanie |
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8 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | Ray | 58811 | ||
Hi Melanie, Your question on Jer 31:33,34 should probably be asked in a new thread. I would like to give some comparison Scriptures that show to me that they are fulfilled in Christ. Jeremiah 31:31, "Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord/, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,..." John 6:48, "I/ am the *Bread of life." Jeremiah 31:34, "And they shall not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'KNOW THE LORD', for they shall all KNOW ME, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the Lord, "for I/ will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." John 8:32, "and you shall KNOW THE TRUTH, and THE TRUTH shall set you free." [I used the bold type for comparison, but for me I am talking about the Truth] John 6:54, "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I/ will raise him up on the last day." John 6:45, "It is written in the prophets; 'AND THEY SHALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD/'. Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me." Perhaps you would like to state your thoughts about Jeremiah 31:33 and ask a question on that thread. From the heart, Ray |
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9 | succorer neutral gender | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58834 | ||
No. Well maybe. I agree with you. I was just looking for someone in agreement with me for prayer and I wanted some more supporting Scriptures. Thank you! | ||||||