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1 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Morant61 | 58651 | ||
Greetings Melanie! I am usually very active on the forum, but I have been extremely busy the last few weeks. So, I haven't had the opportunity to read everyone of your posts, but I have read many of them. I like your comments about Adam! :-) I have been saying for years that Eve was deceived, while Adam just said, "Okay!" In regards to this thread, the question appears to center upon exactly you view the writings of Paul, Peter, or any other Biblical author. Granted, that even godly men and women are still faliable, Scripture teachs us though that the writings of the Bible are inspired, infalliable, and inerrant. I think this is why your post about Paul has caused such an uproar. According to the Bible, the letters Paul wrote in Scripture where done under the authority and inspiration of Christ. Thus, it is not a question of choosing to obey Paul over Christ. Rather, both are in complete harmony (or it might be more correct to say that Paul is in harmony with Christ :-)). So, maybe you can share with the forum your view of Scripture. Is it the inspired, infalliable, inerrant Word of God or do you view some of it as simply the opinions of fallible men? The answer to this question might clear up some of the questions. p.s. - Welcome to the forum. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58704 | ||
Hello again Tim. Hopefully this will be a short post. But I leave that to the Spirit. What I did not know yesterday when I was being attacked as an "apostle basher" was some interesting bits of church history. In 352AD at the Council of Laodicea, the "new" church, (Catholic), it was decided that "One ought not to establish in the church the women called overseers." Hmmm, right? Who were "the women called overseers" if we accept the modern translating of these troubling verses of Paul? There wouldn't have been any such thing. Yet there obviously was. In 398 AD, the 4th Snod of Carthage said, "A woman, however learned and holy, may not presume to teach men in an assembly". Again, hmmmm. The way these things work, issues are brought up, debated and decisions reached are in the findings. If Paul in the earliest churches had determined that there would no such thing, why was it going on for the Catholic church to determine to stop it? 441AD, they also decided to "Let no one proceed to the ordination of deaconessess anymore". Anymore? Then in 517AD, they proclaim, "We abrogate completely..." then include "...the consecration of widows who are named deaconesses." following in 533AD with "No longer shall the blessing of deaconess be given, because of the weakness of the sex." No wonder they didn't want the Bible translated into common languages! Then you wait a few hundred years until the context and usage of the language itself has changed (i.e. Head being no longer used to imply "source" and now viewed as "authority"), and when finally Bibles are allowed to be circulated amongst more than the priesthood, that Greek has been transformed, and translated into Latin...... And don't anyone bothering to post to tell me it couldn't have happened. I live in a Christian country that was established by Christians, consecrated to the Redeemer by Christians, and even had a government CREATED by these Christians in such a way that no Christian sect could ever have authority over the others (our founders were persecuted Christians coming here to escape the persecution of OTHER Christians); yet here we are a few hundred years later and it's all been perverted into 'all religions are equal and protected from Christianity'! The Deceiver is clever and cunning, and truly totally depraved, and a few hundred years of step by step progress to an error that makes women feel unwelcome or inferior in Christ would be just his style. So there's the "source" of the error. I call him the Deceiver, and right here on the airways where he is said to have authority, I declare I am going to keep after this under the guidance of the Spirit until I have his smarmy head under my heel! I hope he already feels the headache from the crushing I pray to give him! The Word is infallible, but my spirit tells me that there is an error. I accept it could be mine and that it means just what it says in plain English, but I don't think so and now I feel like a hound on the scent of it. God is good! I do so love this stuff. So now I am off to the original Greek, to the times of Corinth and Ephesus. "Praying in the spirit, and in the mind. Singing in the spirit, and in the mind." Wish me bon voyage, dear Tim, and pray for me. I can think of one or two in this forum who hope my ship sinks! |
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3 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Emmaus | 58743 | ||
Jesufreak, This link regarding deaconesses may be of interest to you. It was originallypublished in 1912 I believe. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04651a.htm I would also like to gently point out that there were vernacular translations of the bible done by Catholics before the Reformation. And when the bible was first translated into Latin, even before the time of Jerome it was because Latin was the vernacular language of the West and those who could read, read Latin. Emmaus |
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4 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58755 | ||
Thank you. THIS is the kind of instruction I am hungering for from this forum. God bless. |
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5 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Emmaus | 58778 | ||
Jesusfrak, Pleased to be of service. If you are interested in a book length treatment of the subject, this link will take you to the book that is considered by many to be the standard on the subject of Deaconesses in the early Church. It was published,I believe, in 1986. http://www.ignatius.com Type Deaconess in the search box and it will take you to the title. Click on the title and it will take you to as picture of the book and a jacket blurb. Emmaus |
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