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1 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3474 | ||
Dear inHzsvc, I notice the capital :-) Yes, these are liberal times we live in. However, if you take the 'then, there, so forever and wherever' approach, you must apply it to every single thing. So, in your church are women forbidden to sing and worship? Does this only apply to the period of time when the services are being held, or are women not allowed a peep at anytime within the walls of your church building. Does this include the parking lot, or even on the way to church. How about female children? Forgive me, I only use these absurdities to show the legalistic nature of the argument. I am sure that a woman could usurp authority over a man without saying a word, and I daresay that it may happen even in your church. It is also possible for women to speak, yet be fully under the authority of men. Our attitude of faith can make the difference. As I spoke on another line, I believe that pastoral authority should be in the hands of men chosen by God. But to 'gag' or 'muzzle' women using legalistic interpretation of scripture is not my bent. You deplore my use of 'I think' and 'I believe,' but I must say that your 'I know' and 'the scripture says' is just another version of the same thing. Otherwise, the church would not be split the way it is. Or, perchance, are you claiming 'right,' with everyone else 'wrong?' If we say, "Thus saith the Lord in His word..." are we not acting as prophets proclaiming the word of God? Friend, we all have ideas of what the word of God says. My own thinking (I think) is that 'I know' is not very humble, nor is it absolute. The only thing that I claim to know, is Jesus Christ, and His salvation. I am happy to know that your church is conservative in these liberal times, and pray that the peace of the Lord Jesus would be upon you in abundance. Love in Jesus' name, charis |
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2 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 3483 | ||
Charis, I would much rather stand on "thus says the Lord" or "the Scripture says" than "I think." You must say that according the the Scripture cited, women should be silent after the church is called to order--that is, when the floor is opened for the speaker. There is absolutely NO Scripture anywhere to prove that women ever audibly spoke during church. If so (apparently in the case of the Corinthian saints), they were corrected. Again, I will take the Scripture over any figuring. It just is too plain on this subject. As I study older commentators, I see that they felt the exact same way. God bless. |
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3 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3487 | ||
Dear friend inHzsvc, I laud your desire to keep men in their proper place of authority in the church. I assure you that many others share this holy desire, but their methods may be different. I still must challenge you on your claim that your method is 100 percent effective, and that all other methods are ineffective. In any case, you 'think that you know' absolutely what God speaks on this issue. You also say that anyone who does not 'know' this is corrupted by these liberal days. I am sure that Jesus Himself will have a better answer, that surprises both the conservatives and the liberals with His authority, just like when He walked this earth. Until then, I will hold that men have opinions, and they differ. As to your statement about 'older commentators,' I appreciate your desire to conserve the teachings of previous generations of saints, but the book of Joel, quoted by Peter on the day of Pentecost, prophesies that the Spirit will give new revelation as we come closer to the return of the Lord Jesus. Old is good, yes, but God still reserves the right to teach us new things and restore lost things in the Spirit. I almost forgot to answer your question. In my church, men and women and children all, quiet themselves and listen to the preaching of the word of God. With all due respect, duh! Blessings this Easter day, if it is not outlawed by the heathen origins of the name :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 3494 | ||
Charis, It's not that I "think I know" "what God speaks on this issue". I just know that is the only side presented in the Word of God. If there were any other indication that women ever held an authoritative position in any church or there were ever one statement where a writer claimed it was OK, then, I'd submit to the teaching. But, there isn't. I do desire for the people in my church to follow the proper authority--the Bible. If we do that, and that alone without any extra ideas on our part, women will remain silent in the public mixed assemblies because that's the only way the Bible speaks of it. As for Easter, you are right about the heathen origin of the name. However, the bunny, the egg, and several other points concerning it are of a heathen origin. That word is only mentioned once in Scripture and that word was translated passover every other time except that once--interesting. You should pick up a book, "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop---very interesting. God bless. |
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5 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3498 | ||
Dear inHzsvc, I acquiesce to your point that that Bible only states one side of this issue. Your thinking, your method is to adhere to the words of Paul as though they were intended to all, for all time. My thinking, my method is to believe that Paul was addressing a specific situation, and that the gist, the essence(life) of his teaching is to be adhered to. You have admitted that the word is silent concerning the 'other side' of this issue. I do, however, believe that we agree on the premise that women are different, and should be under authority. Children, too. I believe the same result can be attained without the 'gag,' without the hat and the veil. I am sure that the Bible teaches us that love is the preferred method, as taught in this same letter, by the same Author, to the same church. Apparently, this love command was not yet effective, for reasons we do not completely know. I hope and pray that the better teaching is being restored to the church, as we come closer to Jesus' soon return. I am aware of the dangers of 'Babylon' today, but also aware that rigid, stiff-necked Israel did not please God. Jesus' teaching always surprised the extremists with the balance of love and truth. Thank you for your patience with me. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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6 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 3507 | ||
Still yet, charis, we have no right to add to God's Word, or, perhaps more precisely, change it to fit today. When we do so, we can make anything truth and nothing is absolute. God gave us what we needed. What was good for Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc. is good for us today. "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever" God bless. inHzsvc |
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7 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | Dalprad | 25198 | ||
This is one of the more intersting debates I've read (womens roles between you and Charis). Here's my take if your interested. No doubt if you follow the scripture verbatim your conclusion is correct. Questioning whether or not this was intended for all times is natural. It is one of the few parts of scripture that to me is hard to accept. This does not mean I should not follow it I know. I also believe the Holy Spirit within all of us who have beleived on Him is a guide to truth and understanding. It seems that some of the more legalistic folks easily forget that. If you believe you are doing God's will by keeping women totally silent in the church that is between you and God. I believe it as well as far as teaching and preaching go. But if you are trying to set yourself apart from other churches by taking it to a literal extreme then that's a different story. There a million different ways that people and churches set themselves apart on these issues. I guess it gives them the comfort of thinking they are the closest to God out of all churches. I pray you work in the Lord continues strongly. |
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8 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | inHzsvc | 25534 | ||
If you call believing the Bible for what it says "legalistic," then so be it. What I believe is that we should have Scripture to back up what we do. Do you not believe that? There is not one ounce of Scripture that ever contradicts I Cor. 14:34 nor is there anything to even hint that it was only for that time period. I find it hard to believe that Christian people today think we can just write off what the Bible says about things such as this. Look, the Bible is our "handbook." We are to follow it. We don't have anything else. If we can just say, "well, I think that's old fashioned", we can do anything. Please, for your sake as you will stand before Christ in judgment one day, take God's Book seriously. He wrote it like He meant it. God bless you and yours. |
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9 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | Dalprad | 25572 | ||
Hello! I only have some quick comments and two questions I would like anwsered if you have the time. If not, thats OK. If I am errant in my thinking then the grace of God be with me. Note how Pauls letter to Corinth starts: 1 Corinthians 1 1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes, 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ--their Lord and ours Regardless of the mistakes the Corinthians are making only a short time after Christ rose, Paul describes them as, "sanctified in Christ Jesus" and " all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ--their Lord and ours". He doesn't say, "to those who will be saved if they heed this letter". Their salvation was intact. You have found the authority to threaten my salvation when you say "for your sake...". Question #1)What verse gives you this authority? Note the following. 1 Corinthians 11 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved. This whole letter is about church behavior. Question #2) Explain (using scripture) the process of women praying and giving prophesy while at the same time remaining silent. I admit the possibility of me being wrong about certain things. I seek to obey God. I would never take part in a service with female authority which is what the passages suggest to me and many other saved Christians. If I err, which I confess I will and have, Gods grace suits me very, very well. We will all need it sir. On a personal note. I have been guilty of not proceeding in this forum with love as Christ commands. I am often cynical and argumentitive. I ask for your forgiveness. I also ask you to examine your tone of conversation. Let's set the tone together for other people who use this service! We are God's children and we should radiate love even in disagreement! Other people read this. Praise God for our salvation in Christ! Dan |
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