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1 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Morant61 | 58651 | ||
Greetings Melanie! I am usually very active on the forum, but I have been extremely busy the last few weeks. So, I haven't had the opportunity to read everyone of your posts, but I have read many of them. I like your comments about Adam! :-) I have been saying for years that Eve was deceived, while Adam just said, "Okay!" In regards to this thread, the question appears to center upon exactly you view the writings of Paul, Peter, or any other Biblical author. Granted, that even godly men and women are still faliable, Scripture teachs us though that the writings of the Bible are inspired, infalliable, and inerrant. I think this is why your post about Paul has caused such an uproar. According to the Bible, the letters Paul wrote in Scripture where done under the authority and inspiration of Christ. Thus, it is not a question of choosing to obey Paul over Christ. Rather, both are in complete harmony (or it might be more correct to say that Paul is in harmony with Christ :-)). So, maybe you can share with the forum your view of Scripture. Is it the inspired, infalliable, inerrant Word of God or do you view some of it as simply the opinions of fallible men? The answer to this question might clear up some of the questions. p.s. - Welcome to the forum. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58699 | ||
I believe that Scripture is the inspired, infalliable, inerrant Word of God. No ifs, ands, buts, or exceptions. I love Paul, and it has been a journey getting there. These very few Scriptures were so hurtful to me that I would cry and wonder why God did not love Woman. But my spirit would not accept that God did not love woman, so I kept at it. Unceasingly. I accept that the Word as it was given from Paul is infalliable, so then the error was either in me, my reading of it, or in the translation of it because I know God not only loves woman, but deeper, He cherishes and delights in them. Can you imagine my comfort when the Spirit brought me to Proverbs 8, where the Word says Wisdom is a woman? and in verse 30 I read, "Then I was beside Him as a master and director of the work; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing before Him always." (Amplified) Once I worked through my sorrow and pain, rejecting it, accepting on Faith that God loved and cherished and delighted in the female aspect of "...His image and likeness", then He takes me straight to a Scripture that even uses the word 'delight'! Praise the Lord and His Mighty Name! That was some weeks ago, and I don't believe it coincidence that almost the very first thing I get into on this forum is this very Paul whom I so recently come to love in all his writings, even those I do not understand. Yesterday I left this forum and even felt like Paul. After he had been stoned and left for dead. I awoke this morning and rose from my prayer like Paul determined that even after being stoned I would continue. God loves me, and so does Paul. On Faith I returned to my studies knowing that as long as I don't give up the quest for Truth, I will find the treasure of it. In Faith, I went to my Bible content that the Word itself would reveal the way I was to go. So where did it take me? Back to 1 Corinthians 14. The source of all this controversy and angst. Except this time, do you know what verses drew me? Verse 11, "If I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me." Then verse 19, "But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." And finally, back up to Verse 15, "So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind." It was like Paul himself was speaking through to time straight to me. I love it when the Word does that! Sorry.... I had to pause for a minute and just praise God!!! Now I have come to my computer and checked my email and come here to this forum. Again. Back into the lions den. Except now I have some interesting information delivered to me over these lines of bits and data. Something I had not considered, and somethings I had not known. And a very nice post from a very nice Christian man, also "coincidentally' named Timothy. I had not considered that Timothy was not a letter of instruction to the church, but a letter counseling Timothy on how to organize the church. And it had just skipped over my mind that the church in question was Ephesus. Ephesus, where the women were not traditionally educated. So now I look at 1Timothy 2:11 and 12, and see that Paul is saying these women should learn. "...in quietness and full submission." Well of course. That is the proper attitude for any student with her teacher. And of course, these women should not be teaching their husbands! Talk about a blind guide! I even understand the Adam and Eve reference. I've always thought God punished Man because he listened to Woman, when it was supposed to be Woman who listened to Man. He was the one God gave the knowledge to...Hah! I just thought of something. I just answered a post last night on the Adam and Eve thing under the Christ's Elect thread, clarifying my thoughts on that (and called a feminist and dismissed by the man this morning! LOL!) My goodness, the Spirit has been busy with me. In any event, I view the Greek definition of "Head" as the source. Which in the original early Greek was used about 97 percent of the time, and rarely defined as "authority", not even in all of the 3 percent not defined as "source". What a terrible source these Ephesian women would have been for teaching men when they were not only new to the Faith but also knew to learning itself. It would have no doubt have had the same results of Woman leading Man in the Garden. I never back these things up, yet just a moment ago I copied this to notepad, and no sooner had I done it then my connection was lost. I would have lost all of this if I'd not been able to paste it back on. Praise the Lord! So now I'm going to end this post having told you 'what I had not considered' then if you don't mind I'll tell you the rest of this in what "I didn't know" until this morning in a second post. |
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3 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Morant61 | 58700 | ||
Greetings Melanie! I learned along time ago to use my Word Processor on any of my longer posts! ;-) I too have lost my work on several occasions. Excellent answer! I never did like the translation in the KJV of 'help meet'. I have previously posted the following comments: *********************************************** "Helpmeet" is the KJV translation of 'ezeer'. This word is used 21 times in the OT, all but a couple are in reference to the strength of God. Therefore, Walter Kaiser, Jr. has purposed the following translation of Gen. 2:18 - "I will make a power corresponding to man." This even makes sense of the context, where Adam is naming the animals and is unable (Gen. 2:20) to find a "power" corresponding to him. The word never referred to an inferior, but always to someone of equal or greater power who is able to help. ************************************************* Personally, this is how I think all men should view their wives! :-) If you would like to read my take on some of Paul's teachings, type "13446" into the quick search box. I look forward to interacting with you more in the future. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58714 | ||
As a woman I came to be comfortable with the term "helper" along time ago. When the only other times I could find that term used in the Bible it was referring to God or the Holy Spirit, I figured Woman was in excellent company! Going to read your other post now. Do you know what a Godsend you are? Melanie |
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