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1 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | mbooker | 58555 | ||
Good Morning JesusFreak I wanted to let you know that I appreciate you posting this. I also appreciate you pointing out the "as also saith the law" in this verse. I have read this before and this is the first time I took notice of the reference to the law! :) Also wanted to let you know that I will be walking thru these scriptures myself and asking the Holy Spirit to led me that I may have a clearer understanding. I am wondering… In v 23, Paul talks about the whole church coming together and speaking with tongues. Then he says that if the unlearned or unbeliever come in, they would think the church mad. Then he talks about all prophesying and the unlearned or unbeliever being convinced of all (v24) and worshipping God (v25). Then down in v28, he says if there is no interpreter, let him that speak in a tongue keep silent in the church. Then he tells them they may prophesy one by one, that all may learn ad be exhorted (v31). Then he lets us know that the spirit of the prophet are subject to the prophet ("For the spirits of the prophets (the speakers in tongues) are under the speaker's control [and subject to being silenced as may be necessary]’ v 32 Amp) Then... :) he tells us that God is not the author of confusion. Then we have 'Let your women keep silence...' I am wondering if 1. The women were up speaking in tongues with no interpreter 2. The women were trying to prophesy while someone else was prophesying, thus causing confusion. 3. The women were asking questions (v35) 4. This chapter was addressed to only the men of the church (‘Let your women keep silence’) Goodness! The questions keep coming. :) Any insight others are led to share would be appreciated. And if my questions have already been answered somewhere else on this site, please forgive me :). Abba Father Bless… |
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2 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58599 | ||
Paul was dealing with an outpouring of Spirit in Corinth. The Pharisee in him wanted to control it and subject it to rules. His 'God is not the author of confusion' comment sounds so wise and noble, and he is ever quick to pull out his authority as an Apostle. 'You should listen to me even when I am not speaking from the Lord because I am one the Lord has found trustworthy' (1Cor 7:25) The authority he quotes though is Temple Law. He says Tongues are for the unbelievers. (1Cor 14:20-22). A surprise for Peter and the other 120 with him (Acts 1:15)--men and women, on the day of Pentacost to learn. Acts 2:4 says "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." Who was the unbeliever locked up in that house among them? Paul saw himself as THE apostle though. I don't buy the Christian to Christian gentle rebuke motive for him in the Peter incident either. Not with comments like 1Cor 15:9,10 "For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle,.....But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them..." Catholics call it the throne of Peter, but they take their doctrine straight from Paul. They love the rules and the 'you gotta come through me' attitude he held. He even says that if the Spirit gives any spiritual gifts to anyone that person should be ignored unless they acknowledge that what Paul says is the Lord's command. (1Cor 14:37) Have you ever wondered why God wouldn't let Paul go into certain areas to spread the Gospel? I've always got the impression it was because he would have done more harm than good. He was awfully full of himself. He loved the Lord above all else, and it just poured out of him in truly beautiful wonderful works, but sometimes he just couldn't get over himself and his upbringing. I'm glad he was a zealot for the Lord though. Jesus is so wonderful. He sure knows how to pick the right man for the job. But I just don't know why Paul should be the authority on dealing with outpourings of the Spirit in church. His letter to Corinth is taken as the only Gospel on it, but go back to Acts and Pentecost. Peter and his group got so wild, everyone thought they were drunk when they poured out onto the streets. He and the Eleven got up and celebrated this, using it as an opportunity to preach. You didn't read that he told anybody to shut up or that they should restrain themselves so "...all things should be done with regard to decency and propreity and in orderly fashion." (1Cor 14:40) Jesus tells us Peter was to be the rock His church was built upon. I adore Peter and I want to be a Christian like him. Paul is much too judgemental and rule-bound for me. He's a Pharisee. I love Paul. 1Cor 13 is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible. How could anyone think it was not written by someone in the grip of the Holy Spirit? But I have to remind myself that not everything that came from the apostles was of the Spirit. Peter himself was praised by Jesus in one moment as having had a revelation straight from God, and the next moment was being called the devil, and told to get away. An example of this with Paul, is that Jesus said if we want to come to the Father we have to come as little children, but Paul says, "...stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults." (1Cor 14:20,21), then he goes right on to quote the Law. A true Pharisee. And it was Jesus who warned us to listen to them, but don't be like them. A final comment about Paul. In 1Corin 15:5-8, he deliberately leaves out any mention that it was the women who walked with Jesus who were chosen to take the news to the Apostles that Jesus was risen. Matt, Mark, and Luke, all feel it is important to tell this. The only Gospel actually written by one of the Apostles goes further and says not only did angels appear to the women, but that Jesus Himself came to the sobbing Mary and basically said, "Woman, what are you doing?" (John 20:15) Read those verses. The angels had already come to instruct her, but Jesus, who had not yet even gone to His Father after His resurrection, was moved by His love for her to stop and comfort her himself. "Mary!" He said to her. Can't you just hear Him? In one word, he says, didn't I tell you about this? Am I not standing right here in front of you? now, get up and hush. Could He not have appeared just as easily first to Peter? Or John, "the disciple that He loved"? But He didn't. And the fact that He stopped on the way to His Father, still ceremonial clean (Don't touch me---), just to stop this cherished woman from grieving one moment longer, speaks to me of a love that is just immeasurable. Jesus loves men, but He cherishes women. Praise God! Thank you Jesus and I love you, too! |
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3 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | kalos | 58601 | ||
Who are you to judge Paul, the Apostle, the human author of a large portion of the NT? His life and sufferings provide ample proof of the genuineness of his apostleship (see 2 Corinthians). Surely you do not wish to be numbered among those false prophets and teachers of Paul's day who were always unjustly criticizing him and attributing ulterior motives to him, do you? We have had our share of apostle bashing in the past, thank you. You are on thin ice when you start questioning Paul's apostolic authority, his character, his motives or the inspiration of Scriptures he wrote. No, you will not judge the Apostle Paul. Instead his inspired writings will judge YOU. Moreover to cast doubt upon this Bible author is to cast doubt upon the inspiration and authority of the Word of God itself. When you do so you are not edifying anyone. Take care. |
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4 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58618 | ||
Who was Jacob to wrestle with the angel of the Lord? I read and study and pray over the Scriptures constantly. Literally hours every day because the Spirit hardly lets me out of the house! I can stop studying to care for my husband, my children, my horses, my house and to go to church! It has been almost 3 months since I have watched secular television! I couldn't even tell you what the top 40 songs are anymore! Cast doubt?? CAST DOUBT??? Are you out of your mind? Do you have a mind? I don't! I have this tool the Holy Spirit has appropriated for MY edification! I'm judging??? I am asking questions and being hammered by such as your posting for daring! I'm asking the questions and making the comments in this public forum because I want other thoughts and queries and comments to continue to grow mine! I'm trying to water and fertilize the seed the Holy Spirit is working inside of me and you want me to root it out and throw it away! Well here's a little testimony for you! I left church in my mid-twenties because I was asked to leave a Bible study group for asking the 'disruptive' question of 'where did the pigs come from that Jesus threw the demons into?'. I was told I was questioning the divine authority and divine inspiration of the Bible and they just didn't think that was a good start, so could I please not come back? Well I didn't. I'm 41 years old this time and the Spirit has a hold on me like a headlock. And I'm not fighting it. So I'm not going to be pushed away from my Savior by people like you again. I am not bashing any apostle. At one time I deliberately didn't study Paul because I found him hateful in his attitude towards women. The Spirit has drawn me back to him again and again, and I have learned to LOVE him, but I still have questions and issues with some of the things he said. If you have Scriptures that will edify me, I would be happy to have them, but you're wasting your time if you think vague threats of judgement out of YOUR OPINION are giving me any edification. Jesus met me where I was and He has brought me to where I am, and I have complete and absolute Faith that He will bring me on the rest of the way. In spite of people like you who only want people on this forum who don't wonder things like how Jews in a Jewish land happened to have a herd of pigs hanging around. Do us both a favor. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours. If you have anything to teach that I need to learn, I have no doubt that the Spirit will make me accidently click on that particular post. Melanie |
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