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1 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | Dud M3 | 1268 | ||
Do denominations that permit women to speak in church, or even to become pastors, follow the Bible? How shall we interpret this verse, if not literally? | ||||||
2 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58546 | ||
The Law he is referring to is as noted above to have its reference in Gen 3:16. "To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband and he will rule over you." Well, this says I will be ruled by my husband because my desire and craving will be for him. And its true. I have eaten in many a restaurant I don't like, because I invariably find myself letting him have his way. And I have shoes and outfits I don't like for the same reason. It is my desire (love) for him that makes me give in to him all the time on all kinds of issues. God said it, and I can testify that its true. But I submit because Jesus tells me to submit. And that's a two way street. No where though do I find in the Bible that says I should or that I have to submit to any man or every man. When I first read this verse and verse 35, I was devastated. I prayed on it for days! So in my Bible studies over the next few days, the Spirit started leading me around the Scriptures. First He took me to Jesus warning us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Then He took me to Acts where He pointed out to me that Paul was a Pharisee. Then He took me to 1Corinthians 7:12 and 25, where Paul says outright that he is speaking from his own opinions and not from any revelation of the Lord. I was feeling better. That night I prayed over it, then the next morning I was led to 2Corinthians 5:16,17. In verse 16, dear Paul says that we should estimate and regard no one from a purely human point of view, in terms of natural standards of value.--- So how does he justify his 1 Corinthians order for women to be quiet "just as the Law says"? By his OT, Pharisee traditions it is "disgraceful for a woman to talk in church, for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in church." Yet by his NT 2 Corinthians 5:17 teachings, "Therefore if any person is ingrafted in Christ the Messiah he is a new creation, a new creature altogether..." Does this mean, except for women? We're still to be bound by the Law? Dead in our sin? NOT! I was feeling ALOT better by this point. Then I read 2 Corinthians 6:3 "We put no obstruction in anybody's way, we give no offense in anything, so that no fault may be found and our ministry blamed and discredited." -- Wrong! I and no doubt many, many women found fault and were offended. Then God took me to Mary, the first person to see Jesus after He rose. He pointed out to me that Jesus actually stopped on His way to ascending to His Father to comfort this WOMAN. There ended up being a reason for His telling me to speak through my husband in our church (specifically our Wed night Bible studies with our newly ordained young Pastor), and of course, He was right and it was best that I do it. I would have obeied irregardless, but it was really great the way that He comforted me. Because God really does love women; and I think Paul came around to understanding that before he finished his run. Oh, and you might also read Acts 1:13-14. Jesus had told them all, the men and the women, to go back to Jerusalem and wait, and in Acts 1:13,14, there they are, the men and the women, praying and worshiping and waiting together as they had been commanded. Even though that was against their Jewish/Temple Law--the same one which was the basis for Paul's saying above. It was only when they disregarded that Law and were obedient to Jesus, that the Holy Spirit came to them. Jesus told them it would, because He knew they would obey Him. That act of Faith and obedience breaking down prejudice and traditonal walls invited the Holy Spirit to work as it would.---So you want to go back to the Law? |
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3 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | mbooker | 58555 | ||
Good Morning JesusFreak I wanted to let you know that I appreciate you posting this. I also appreciate you pointing out the "as also saith the law" in this verse. I have read this before and this is the first time I took notice of the reference to the law! :) Also wanted to let you know that I will be walking thru these scriptures myself and asking the Holy Spirit to led me that I may have a clearer understanding. I am wondering… In v 23, Paul talks about the whole church coming together and speaking with tongues. Then he says that if the unlearned or unbeliever come in, they would think the church mad. Then he talks about all prophesying and the unlearned or unbeliever being convinced of all (v24) and worshipping God (v25). Then down in v28, he says if there is no interpreter, let him that speak in a tongue keep silent in the church. Then he tells them they may prophesy one by one, that all may learn ad be exhorted (v31). Then he lets us know that the spirit of the prophet are subject to the prophet ("For the spirits of the prophets (the speakers in tongues) are under the speaker's control [and subject to being silenced as may be necessary]’ v 32 Amp) Then... :) he tells us that God is not the author of confusion. Then we have 'Let your women keep silence...' I am wondering if 1. The women were up speaking in tongues with no interpreter 2. The women were trying to prophesy while someone else was prophesying, thus causing confusion. 3. The women were asking questions (v35) 4. This chapter was addressed to only the men of the church (‘Let your women keep silence’) Goodness! The questions keep coming. :) Any insight others are led to share would be appreciated. And if my questions have already been answered somewhere else on this site, please forgive me :). Abba Father Bless… |
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4 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | kalos | 58562 | ||
mbooker: This question was posted under "Unanswered Questions." Is it intended for everyone or is this question directed to a single individual? Grace to you, kalos |
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5 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | mbooker | 58568 | ||
Good Morning Kalos! I intended it for everyone. Sorry about that :) Abba Father bless... |
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6 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | kalos | 58575 | ||
mbooker: No problem. :-) Grace to you, kalos |
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