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1 | Sin and the believer? | 1 Cor 12:13 | EdB | 120712 | ||
Mommapbs The tree or should I say vine in John 15. And the branch that bears no fruit is the one in verse 2 John 15:1-2 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. [2] Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. EdB |
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2 | Sin and the believer? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Mommapbs | 120716 | ||
Please read this post I sent to Emmaus on this passage. 120668 Blessings, mommapbs |
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3 | Sin and the believer? | 1 Cor 12:13 | EdB | 120767 | ||
mommapbs I added this under the 120668 post but I will add it here also. Moreover I agree with Emmaus' response to you also. You give an interesting twist to verse 2 but I come from an agricultural background and I'm very familiar with grafting and cutting away non producing and pruning to increase yield. I have watched the reaction of the plants and I'm aware that even a slight reorientation of a plant to the sun can effect it's yield. The twist you give is a play on words and requires an alternate meaning over the obvious. In fact many times a graft will fail, the limb will receive nourishment but something causes the grafted limb not to produce fruit and the limb must be removed for the betterment of the tree/vine. I believe this passage is just as it states a unproductive limb is discarded. I think the twist you give is perpetuated by people that have jumped from one extreme to the other. Remember many in the Protestant church have gone way to far to the grace side of this discussion in their effort to combat what they see as works salvation of Catholicism. We need to get back into the middle of the road. Your right works do not save! But salvation without works is not true. Your also right our works come from Christ but we have to get off our backsides and move. There is no other way to reconcile this to James. Furthermore I see this as being reinforced in the parable of the wedding Matthew 22:11. I think many that depend on nothing more that verbal affirmation that Christ is Lord for their salvation is in for a rude awakening. Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments. He commanded us to keep the law as a standard to live by, to Love God with all our heart and to love our neighbor as ourselves. He also commanded us to assembly together and to make disciples. These weren't mere requests, or suggestions for righteous Christian living they were commandments given to the servants of the Lord. I believe failure to do these reveals the true state of spirit. When a man and woman fall in love they tell each other how much they love the other, but until they put that love into action it is nothing more than lip service. That is the same of many confessed love of Christ, the talk the talk but fail to walk the walk. EdB |
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