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1 | Do our works keep us saved? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Mommapbs | 120647 | ||
WalkingTalkingBible writes: "False doctrines tell souls that "once saved always saved." That's a lie." So do our works keep us saved? |
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2 | Do our works keep us saved? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Emmaus | 120661 | ||
Mommapbs, Interesting to see this question today, because the Gospel reading for today's Mass is John 14:7-14 and in that passage we find verse 12. John 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. " Works are an ingteral part of faith and I believe cannot be separated if faith is to have any meaning or life as James says in James 2:17 and paul indicates in Ephesians 2;10. But faith and its works both come by grace, "lest any man should boast" that his own works obliged God to save him. And of course John 14 is followed by John 15 which seems to indicate that one who was abiding in Christ can change his mind and think he can make it on his own, thereby losing his salvation. John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. John 15:2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. Emmaus |
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3 | Do our works keep us saved? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Mommapbs | 120668 | ||
Greetings Emmaus - the choice to abide is ours. Upon faith we become ingraphed branches - it is wholly a work of God. Yes, v 12 indicates the work of the Holy Spirit that is magnified and multiplied in the lives of all believers. The one who refuses Christ is the one who choses not to abide (v6) BUT the unproductive vine (v2) is not treated in the same manner.(to take away is not the same as to be thrown out and burned! From the Greek, the idea is that just as a vinedresser lifts up those vines on the ground so that they can be exposed to more sun, God does the same to those believers who are not evidencing the activity of Christ in their lives). I have recently posted much on this and remain steadfast in my resolve that all the work is done by Jesus. If it makes you feel more a part of Christ to do good deeds who am I to disuade you? My standing before God is because of Christ and HIS work alone. I am declared righteous because of who He is and my life is hidden in His. There is nothing I can do to earn more of His favor than I have right now because of Christ (This is My beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased. Since I am in Him, He is pleased with me too!) mommapbs |
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4 | Do our works keep us saved? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Emmaus | 120669 | ||
Mommapbs, "If it makes you feel more a part of Christ to do good deeds who am I to disuade you?" It is not about my feelings, which may well be irrelvant, but rather about what Jeus said: John 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father." Yes, Christ works in us and without that our works are useless, but we also work with Christ. We do not have to make an "either or choice". It is a "both and" reality, with God in the driver's seat. 1 Cor 3:9 "For we are God's fellow workers..." Col 1:29 For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me. Emmaus |
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5 | Do our works keep us saved? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Mommapbs | 120674 | ||
Yes, Christ works in us and without that our works are useless, but we also work with Christ. We do not have to make an "either or choice". It is a "both and" reality, with God in the driver's seat. (YES, with God in the driver seat - but how often do we try to take the wheel?) And those who do not "work with Christ" - what does He do ? - He doesn't throw us away, but He disciplines us! (Heb 12) Those who have experienced the Lord's discipline have been trained by it - they know what the Lord's "woodshed" is like and respond in such a manner so as not to go back there! From Blackaby's "Experiencing God" I learned that God is at work all around us and He invites us to join Him in His work! This is not the same as working to earn God's favor. mommapbs |
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