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1 | the Spirit of Truth | John 7:17 | kalos | 167385 | ||
Is the Word of Faith movement Biblical? ____________________ "a peculiar mix of orthodox Christianity and mysticism" ____________________ 'Question: Is the Word of Faith movement Biblical? 'Answer: Word of Faith teaching is decidedly unbiblical. It is not a denomination, and does not have a formal organization or hierarchy. Instead, it is a movement that is heavily influenced by a number of high-profile pastors and teachers such as Kenneth Hagin, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Paul and Jan Crouch, and Fred Price. ____________________ "teachings range from completely heretical to completely ridiculous" ____________________ 'The Word of Faith movement grew out of the Pentecostal movement in the latter 20th century. Its founder was E. W. Kenyon, who studied the metaphysical New Thought teachings of Phineas Quimby. Mind science (where "name it claim it" originated) fit well with the emerging Pentecostal movement and its emphasis on the supernatural, so he combined them and created a peculiar mix of orthodox Christianity and mysticism. Kenneth Hagin in turn studied under E. W. Kenyon and made the Word of Faith movement what it is today. Although individual teachings range from completely heretical to completely ridiculous, what follows is the basic theology most Word of Faith teachers align themselves with. ____________________ "its theology just strays further and further from Scripture" ____________________ 'At the heart of the Word of Faith movement is the belief in the "force of faith." It is believed words can be used to manipulate the faith-force, and thus actually create what they believe Scripture promises (health and wealth). Laws supposedly governing the faith-force are said to operate independently of God's sovereign will and that God Himself is subject to these laws. From here, its theology just strays further and further from Scripture: It claims that God created human beings in His literal, physical image as little gods. Before the fall, humans had the potential to call things into existence by using the faith-force. After the fall humans took on Satan's nature and lost the ability to call things into existence. In order to correct this situation, Jesus Christ gave up His divinity and became a man, died spiritually, took Satan's nature upon Himself, went to hell, was born-again, and rose from the dead with God's nature. After this, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to replicate the Incarnation in believers so they could become little gods as God had originally intended. ____________________ "...the Word of Faith movement exalts man to god-status and reduces God to man-status." ____________________ 'Following the natural progression of these teachings, as little gods we again have the ability to manipulate the faith-force and become prosperous in all areas of life. Illness, sin, and failure are the result of a lack of faith, and are remedied by confession--claiming God's promises for oneself into existence. Simply put, the Word of Faith movement exalts man to god-status and reduces God to man-status. Needless to say, this is a false representation of what Christianity is all about. Obviously, Word of Faith teaching does not take into account what is found in Scripture. Personal revelation is highly relied upon in order to come up with such absurd beliefs, which is just one more thing counted unbiblical. ____________________ "Our hope is in the Lord, not in our own words, not even in our own faith (Psalm 33:20-22)." ____________________ 'Countering Word of Faith teaching is a simple matter of reading the Bible. God alone is the Sovereign Creator of the Universe (Genesis 1:3; 1 Timothy 6:15), and does not need faith--He is the object of faith (Mark 11:22; Hebrews 11:3). God is spirit, and does not have a physical body (John 4:24). Man was created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26, 27; 9:6), but this does not make him a little god nor divine. Only God has a divine nature (Galatians 4:8; Isaiah 1:6-11, 43:10, 44:6; Ezekiel 28:2; Psalms 8:6-8). Christ is Eternal, the Only Begotten Son, and the only incarnation of God (John 1:1, 2, 15; 1:14, 18; 3:16; 1 John 4:1). In Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9). By becoming a man Jesus gave up the glory of heaven but not His divinity (Philippians 2:6-7) though He did choose to withhold His power while walking the earth as man. 'The Word of Faith movement is deceiving countless people, causing them to grasp after a way of life and faith that is not biblical. Our hope is in the Lord, not in our own words, not even in our own faith (Psalm 33:20-22). Our faith comes from God in the first place (2 Peter 1:1), and is not something we create for ourselves. So, be wary of the Word of Faith movement, and any church that aligns itself with Word of Faith teachings.' ____________________ www.gotquestions.org/Word-Faith.html |
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2 | Truth | John 7:17 | ngkh | 167388 | ||
Ok,thanks for the cut and paste. If its any consolation, I do not belong to the movement. I just read some of his books. Either I am not reading right or I have yet to read the books that has those teachings that are countered. Might I ask if you have read any of his books or are you just following other peoples comment. If you have, I would appreciate if you will let me know the name of the book, the writings which you feel are questionable and if I do not have the book, I will buy one. Or you might want to download from http://www.rhema.org/media/faith_magazine.cfm which I have just found on the net. Read the article and let me know if it is questionable.I've yet to read all of it. |
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3 | Truth | John 7:17 | kalos | 167391 | ||
'Does Hagin Follow His Own Rules? 'I receive a monthly magazine from Hagin's ministry and because I am on his mailing list I also receive every two to three months a letter signed by Kenneth Hagin Senior requesting money that I am to send to his ministry. 'In a letter dated June 1995, Hagin requests money for classroom chairs: "We are in need of 5,000 desk chairs for all the classrooms and seminar auditorium... I realize that the total for all 5,000 chairs is a very large sum of money. However, I believe that if all of us work together, we can accomplish this project." 'There was a letter dated October 1995 in which more money was requested: "....That is why we always depend upon the special offerings that we receive as a result of the letter I send to you every October. Your offerings help us catch up on the expenses of the maintenance and preparations during the summer and also help us through the holidays until I write to you again in February."" 'This hardly sounds like the same man who wrote the booklets, "How to Write Your Own Ticket with God" and "Having Faith In Your Faith." He says in those booklets, to obtain wealth, power, possessions, etc. from God, all one needs to do is follow 4 rules or steps as we have quoted previously. He said nothing about sending a letter requesting money from people, as a fifth rule. 'Kenneth Hagin has as of 12-21-95 over 500,000 people on his mailing list, according to the public relations office at his headquarters In Tulsa, OK. 'The reality is that when it comes to following his own prescription for receiving from God, Hagin fails. There seems to be an easy way to obtain money from WF theology; have a mailing list of half a million. There would be no need to request money if this so called WF formula was truly a biblical mandate. 'This not an indictment of Christian ministries that solicit money through the mail (Though some would say there are those that funds, with irritating frequency, bordering on harassment). However, when an organization and or a person proclaims vigorously, as Hagin does, that all you have to do is put into practice this four point formula and God will obligingly respond with whatever you demand from Him; Then turns and sends special requests for money, it is hypocritical and proves that he has no ultimate faith in the efficacy of the formula. 'It should be clear at this juncture that WF doesn't work for Hagin nor anyone else in the movement It is so much smoke and mirrors. It is my prayer that many will see the fruitlessness of the non biblical teaching and repent of its corrupt practices. For true biblical faith is essential to understanding God and walking with Him in a truly balanced Christian life. The WF doctrine is only a diabolical counterfeit and will destroy what it claims to build, the faith of believers.' Bibliography--Footnotes 1. Having Faith In Your Faith, Kenneth Hagin; (Rhema Bible Church) p. 4,5. 2. How to Write Your Own Ticket With God, Kenneth Hagin; (Rhema Bible Church) p. 1-5. 3. Ibid.p.l0. 5. Ibid.p.l6. 6. Ibid. p.19,23. (Emphasis in the original) 7. Letter from Kenneth Hagin Ministries, dated June1995. pg.2. 8. Letter from Kenneth Hagin Ministries, dated October 1995. Pg.2. ____________________ To read more go to: www.xmark.com/focus/Pages/hagin.html |
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4 | Truth | John 7:17 | ngkh | 167395 | ||
Can I assume then that what you have posted is not from your experience nor have you read any of his books and yet you have much against his teaching based on articles given by others. That is one Christian sharing I have yet to comprehend. As I said earlier, I just read his books and I am not his followers nor involved in his movement. What I shared was 1Cor chapters 1-4. But since the mentioned of Hagins...... I wonder if cartoons will come out next. |
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5 | Truth | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167401 | ||
You make a wonderful point, when someone doesn't take the time to actually read or listen to what another man has said in his own words, its best not to talk at all. And I think cartoons are already out there somewhere, there is some website called bible.ca or something, which has a bunch of videos a person can watch that are doctored up to make many preachings such as Hagin look foolish. Its interesting though, how they claim they are doing a Christian work, yet they are illegaly copying and distrubiting material that is not only doctored up ( you can see on some of the videos how the men are wearing one suit one instance, and another suit the next, which shows a competent man its faked ) but its also most likely illegal to distribute those without permission from the publishers. Anyways, people should either talk about the Word, or just keep quiet. ITs about time Christians got off their high horse and thought they were allowed to judge every man in this life and never worry about love and compasssion. |
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6 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167403 | ||
Greetings Mitch! I just went to the web site that you mentioned. On it, I found an audio clip from one of Kenneth Copeland's sermons, where he makes the following claim: "It was not the physical death of Christ on the cross that paid the price for sin." Is this Biblical or is it heresy? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167405 | ||
Tim, I don't like to deal in illegal material. Sorry, but I won't be answering any questions from that website. I'm a Christian man, and as such, I follow the law. If you can find that quote in an article or on a sermon at www.kcm.org I'd be more than happy to discuss it though. But I refuse to worry about what some illegal run immoral website has to offer. Perhaps I made a mistake by mentioning that website, but I was just wanting to point out how they claim they are doing a good Christian work, yet they are breaking the law. So no, I have no need to discuss anything thats there. Find a valid source where that comes from, from Copeland's website, and then we'll talk. God Bless, Mitch |
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8 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167407 | ||
Greetings Mitch! The clip is from a sermon entitled 'What Satan Saw on the Day of Pentecost", tape # 020022. If you have it or would care to purchase it, we could discuss the quote. :-) But, since you limit me to discussing quotes from his web site, here is one: " Here's some good news: When the Word says we are to be partakers of Christ's suffering, it means we are to enter into the victory Jesus bore for us on the cross. The only suffering we encounter in sharing His victory is spiritual. That's what the Word is talking about when it says we are to be partakers of Christ's suffering. In other words, the only suffering for a believer is the spiritual discomfort brought by resisting the pressures of the flesh, not a physical or mental suffering. Jesus has already borne for us all the suffering in the natural and mental realms." Source: http://www.kcm.org/studycenter/articles/faith_hope/suffering_with_christ.php Is this Biblical? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167409 | ||
Yes it is Biblical, did the rest of the article not show up for you? Brother Copeland gives plenty of references for what he is writting. If the rest of the article didn't show up, please let me know and I will copy and past it for you, or I can email it to you if you prefer. God Bless, Mitch |
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10 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167410 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Yes, I read the rest of the article my friend! However, Mr. Copeland's statement is not Biblical. Here is what the Bible actually says about suffering. Paul calls Timothy to join with him in suffering for the gospel in 2 Tim. 1:8. Was this suffering physical or mental? According to 2 Tim. 2:9, his suffering included being chained like a criminal. 1 Peter 2:20 describes suffering as taking a physical beating unjustly. John suffered because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus on the Island of Patmos (Rev. 1:9). History tells us that he was impriosoned there. Jesus says this to the Church at Symrna in Rev. 2:10: "Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life." In light of these passages, would you still say that the following statement is Biblical: "In other words, the only suffering for a believer is the spiritual discomfort brought by resisting the pressures of the flesh, not a physical or mental suffering." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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11 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167412 | ||
So then its your opinion that JEsus is suffersing physically and mentally, is he suffering financially as well? Because if we are to suffer with him, then he must be going through the same that we are. And yes 2 Tim 2:9 Paul points out that he has been persecuted to the point that he has even been in bonds. 1 Peter 4:15 says that we not to suffer as an evildoer, which Paul clearly states in this passage in Timothy that he did suffer as an evildoer, so he did half to resist what the devil was trying to do to him, to kill him, to keep him quiet about the Truth. Thats what Brother Copeland was writing , is that our suffering, is resisting those things that Jesus has delivered us from. So YES, again, its very scriptual. And again, your scripture reference in Peter is saying the same thing. what Brother Copeland is saying, and what the Word is showing us, is that we do not have to stay defeated, the devil may come in and stir up a little trouble, thats what he does, he's the author of sickness and disesase and all forms of trouble, however our suffering, what we must do, is resit what he is trying to bring upon us. We have to resist temptation to sin against God, in the same manner we have to resist being pulled down under the curse and being bound by beatings or poverty, or sickness, or anything else that God does not want us to have. So yes, Brother Copeland is right on in that article, I'm glad you found it, its a good one to read and then study those scriptures which he pointed out. God Bless, Mitch |
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12 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167414 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Did we read the same quote? Copeland did not say that we might suffer physically or mentally but we had to overcome it. He said that there is no physical or mental suffering for a believer! The Scriptures I cited demonstrate that there is physical suffering for believers. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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13 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167415 | ||
I read this article here. Source: http://www.kcm.org/studycenter/articles/faith_hope/suffering_with_christ.php As you have probably experienced, any time we are walking in the Word and fellowshiping with the Father, Satan will do his best to stop us. He wants to stop this spiritual relationship. He knows as we receive revelation knowledge into our spirit, we will learn to lord over him in the physical and mental realms. Then his tactics to put us under the law of sin and death will be futile (Romans 8:2). Brother Copeland isn't saying that the devil won't attack you physcially, he is saying you don't have to stay in a position of defeat. He clearly acknowledges that we will be tested by the devil, and that the devil will try to bring things on us to defeat us, but we suffer through it by submitting to God, resisting the devil, and he will flee from us. Read it again brother, Brother Copeland does not deny the tactics of the devil. He does however say first that the suffering with Christ does not mean physcial and mental suffering, and then he goes on to talk about suffering attacks from the devil. Suffering with Christ, certainly can't be physical, unless Christ is suffering physcially right now. However, there is suffering we go through for the Word's sake. Which brother Copeland does point out. However like I said, and like he said, we resis the devil's attempts to bring us under the law of sin and death, we stay in the Word, and we'll be delivered out of it all. God Bless, Mitch |
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