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1 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167407 | ||
Greetings Mitch! The clip is from a sermon entitled 'What Satan Saw on the Day of Pentecost", tape # 020022. If you have it or would care to purchase it, we could discuss the quote. :-) But, since you limit me to discussing quotes from his web site, here is one: " Here's some good news: When the Word says we are to be partakers of Christ's suffering, it means we are to enter into the victory Jesus bore for us on the cross. The only suffering we encounter in sharing His victory is spiritual. That's what the Word is talking about when it says we are to be partakers of Christ's suffering. In other words, the only suffering for a believer is the spiritual discomfort brought by resisting the pressures of the flesh, not a physical or mental suffering. Jesus has already borne for us all the suffering in the natural and mental realms." Source: http://www.kcm.org/studycenter/articles/faith_hope/suffering_with_christ.php Is this Biblical? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167409 | ||
Yes it is Biblical, did the rest of the article not show up for you? Brother Copeland gives plenty of references for what he is writting. If the rest of the article didn't show up, please let me know and I will copy and past it for you, or I can email it to you if you prefer. God Bless, Mitch |
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3 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167410 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Yes, I read the rest of the article my friend! However, Mr. Copeland's statement is not Biblical. Here is what the Bible actually says about suffering. Paul calls Timothy to join with him in suffering for the gospel in 2 Tim. 1:8. Was this suffering physical or mental? According to 2 Tim. 2:9, his suffering included being chained like a criminal. 1 Peter 2:20 describes suffering as taking a physical beating unjustly. John suffered because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus on the Island of Patmos (Rev. 1:9). History tells us that he was impriosoned there. Jesus says this to the Church at Symrna in Rev. 2:10: "Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life." In light of these passages, would you still say that the following statement is Biblical: "In other words, the only suffering for a believer is the spiritual discomfort brought by resisting the pressures of the flesh, not a physical or mental suffering." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167412 | ||
So then its your opinion that JEsus is suffersing physically and mentally, is he suffering financially as well? Because if we are to suffer with him, then he must be going through the same that we are. And yes 2 Tim 2:9 Paul points out that he has been persecuted to the point that he has even been in bonds. 1 Peter 4:15 says that we not to suffer as an evildoer, which Paul clearly states in this passage in Timothy that he did suffer as an evildoer, so he did half to resist what the devil was trying to do to him, to kill him, to keep him quiet about the Truth. Thats what Brother Copeland was writing , is that our suffering, is resisting those things that Jesus has delivered us from. So YES, again, its very scriptual. And again, your scripture reference in Peter is saying the same thing. what Brother Copeland is saying, and what the Word is showing us, is that we do not have to stay defeated, the devil may come in and stir up a little trouble, thats what he does, he's the author of sickness and disesase and all forms of trouble, however our suffering, what we must do, is resit what he is trying to bring upon us. We have to resist temptation to sin against God, in the same manner we have to resist being pulled down under the curse and being bound by beatings or poverty, or sickness, or anything else that God does not want us to have. So yes, Brother Copeland is right on in that article, I'm glad you found it, its a good one to read and then study those scriptures which he pointed out. God Bless, Mitch |
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5 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167414 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Did we read the same quote? Copeland did not say that we might suffer physically or mentally but we had to overcome it. He said that there is no physical or mental suffering for a believer! The Scriptures I cited demonstrate that there is physical suffering for believers. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Biblical or Not? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167415 | ||
I read this article here. Source: http://www.kcm.org/studycenter/articles/faith_hope/suffering_with_christ.php As you have probably experienced, any time we are walking in the Word and fellowshiping with the Father, Satan will do his best to stop us. He wants to stop this spiritual relationship. He knows as we receive revelation knowledge into our spirit, we will learn to lord over him in the physical and mental realms. Then his tactics to put us under the law of sin and death will be futile (Romans 8:2). Brother Copeland isn't saying that the devil won't attack you physcially, he is saying you don't have to stay in a position of defeat. He clearly acknowledges that we will be tested by the devil, and that the devil will try to bring things on us to defeat us, but we suffer through it by submitting to God, resisting the devil, and he will flee from us. Read it again brother, Brother Copeland does not deny the tactics of the devil. He does however say first that the suffering with Christ does not mean physcial and mental suffering, and then he goes on to talk about suffering attacks from the devil. Suffering with Christ, certainly can't be physical, unless Christ is suffering physcially right now. However, there is suffering we go through for the Word's sake. Which brother Copeland does point out. However like I said, and like he said, we resis the devil's attempts to bring us under the law of sin and death, we stay in the Word, and we'll be delivered out of it all. God Bless, Mitch |
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