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1 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167441 | ||
Joke at me all you want, I don't mind. I am saying he has no authority in that prayer, because God wont answer a prayer thats not based upon his Word, and that would harm another person would he? As for persecuted for getting a 100 fold return, Jesus said that in Mark 10:30 Mitch |
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2 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167444 | ||
Greetings Mitch! I wasn't joking at you my friend, but with you! :-) Thanks for providing the Scripture reference. However, did you notice that you very subtly misquoted Mark 10:30? That verse does not say 'you will be persecuted FOR getting 100 fold return'. It says, "with persecutions". The persecutions are part of the 100 fold that they will receive. Given that everything else in the list is received from God, it could be argued that the persecution is as much a gift as everything else in the list. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167446 | ||
I didn't even quote the scripture Brother, I just referenced it to you. Hard to misquote something you didn't type out. And yes, it says 'with persecutions' He is saying that you will recieve persectuions while you are recieving a hundredfold return on what you have given up. Everything else listed is what was given up, and you are getting 100 fold in return. If you are correct, and Jesus is not saying that persecutions are coming because of the 100 fold return, then wouldn't we in the previous verses have to have listed that we gave up houses and children adn lands and persecutions? How does a man give up persecutions for Jesus sake? So he has to be talking here, that we will recieve persecution, becuause of the 100 fold. So we recieve the persectuions, because with the 100 fold, and since I am living in 100 fold return, and I'm persecuted because of my faith in it, I'd have to say that Jesus was right :) God Bless |
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4 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167448 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Perhaps it would have been more accurate for me to say that you subtly mis-alluded to it! :-) The simply fact is that nothing in the verse says that the persecution is because of receiving a 100 fold in return. We can't simply add words that aren't there! Further, you are not being persecuted my friend, just questioned! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167455 | ||
The KJV adds words that aren't there all the time. Thats what the italics are :) But I agree, you can't just add in words to fit what you want it to say. However, I'm saying that from the way it reads, it means that you will recieve persectuion with the 100 fold return. I'm saying just that, a person who recieves 100 fold will with that 100 fold, recieve persecutions. If thats not what you think, what do you believe it is saying? | ||||||
6 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167464 | ||
Greetings Mitch! You have stated it a little differently this time than before. Before, you stated that Jesus said we would be persecuted for receiving a 100 fold return. Now, you are saying that a person who receives a 100 fold return will also receive persecutions. The latter is true to what the text actually says, but not the former. There is nothing in the text to indicate that the persecution comes BECAUSE of the 100 fold increase. The text only says that persecution will come WITH it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167508 | ||
Is there something in the text that shows that persecution comes with it and not because of it? At any rate if it comes because of the 100 fold, or with it, is it not the same? If I am living in 100 fold, I should expect to be persecuted correct? Isn't that what we are both saying? |
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8 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167512 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Sorry about the delay! I did not receive notification that you had responded. :-( Allow me to touch upon your questions: 1) The word 'with' indicates that persecution comes with it, but says nothing about the cause. 2) All Christians will face persecution according to Scripture, so I can't say that the persecution is because of the 100 fold or simply comes with it. Side Note: I am very particular about wording for a reason. Most false doctrine is easily disproven with Scripture. However, it usually is accepted because so many do not pay close attention to what the text actually says. It is very different to say, 'persecution accompanies blessing' or to say, 'persecution is caused by blessing'. The first is simply a statement of fact, the second is a statement of cause. So, if I seem particular, I am! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167524 | ||
Its good to be particular brother, I wouldn't want to discuss the Word any other way. However, what I'm seeing here, is that the word with, yes does show you that persecution comes with the 100 fold. Thats all I'm trying to say, when you recieve the 100 fold, then you get persecution with it. Now this is a crazy illustration, but let me just go ahead and say it... Lets say I buy a brand new dodge truck, and when you purchase this particular truck, you get a person with it that follows you around and throws pie in your face all day long. I could say I have the pie throwing man because I bought the truck? Because he came with the truck... correct? Thats all I"m saying brother. I'm saying you get the persecution, when you get the 100 fold. Mitch |
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10 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167553 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Greek is a very precise language. The prepostition translated as 'with' does not indicate cause. Therefore, textually it would be inaccurate to say that the 100 fold return is the cause of the persectution. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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11 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167569 | ||
Even if it doesn't indicate 'cause' as you say. I'll believe that... actually give me some insight, I understand we read the Greek, and go on it, but is that what Jesus would have spoken in, or would he have spoken in Aramaic? Anyways.... the text clearly shows that the persecutions come with the 100 fold. So we can easily say if you have the 100 fold.. you have the persecutions.. .and on the same note, you can also say that if you dont hae the 100 fold, those persecutions that come with giving up something for the Lord, won't be with you then will they? If you get A, you get B. To get rid of B, don't get A... correct? |
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12 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167571 | ||
Greetings Mitch! It really doesn't matter what language Jesus spoke, since the inspired word of God was written in Greek (at least the NT was). We have to go by what the text actually says, not what we want it to say. Your final A / B illustration doesn't work because a) We don't know the relationship between A and B; and b) Persecution is common to all believers in Scripture. :-) Anyway, I have to get to bed. I work nights! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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13 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167654 | ||
Well you can try to read it however you want. From what I see in the passsage, the Word says if you give up those things, you get 100 fold in return (except wives ) and you get persecutions. When I learned cause and effect in grammar school I was tarught you don't have to use the words such as because and since, it can be implied. And when you tell me that I get such and such, and say with such and such, then you easily show me that one comes with the other, meaning if I don't have one, i wont get that other. I know bleievers suffer persecution but I bleive this scripture is showing us that there is persecution which comes wtih this 100 fold return. Meaning, someone who has the 100 fold in their lives, might be suffering something that someone who doesn't. Thats all I'm saying, the word says persecution comes with the 100 fold. Its that simple. God Bless, Mitch |
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